Who FNAF's Vengeful Spirit Is And Why You Shouldn't Care

FNAF's Vengeful Spirit and their identity has always been a huge subject for debate in the FNAF Theory community, and today I'm here to attempt to put an end to the debate around who FNAF's Vengeful Spirit, or TOYSNHK, really is... and probably never talk about this part of the lore again. I'll talk about Golden Freddy, Cassidy and Andrew, the FNAF books, and more, so if you enjoyed this FNAF Vengeful Spirit theory, please Like, Subscribe and leave a comment!
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0:00 - Intro
1:28 - What is UCN about & who is TOYSNHK?
3:27 - Who Is Cassidy & What Does She Do?
4:35 - Who Is Andrew, & How Can He Be TOYSNHK?
6:35 - Evidence For Cassidy Being TOYSNHK
7:08 - Guess What, Cassidy Isn't TOYSNHK
8:02 - Withered Rants About The Books For 1 minute and 31 seconds
9:33 - Why The TOYSNHK's Identity Doesn't Matter
10:48 - Outro
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#fnaf #fnaftheory #fnafgame #fnaflore #williamafton #fnafsecuritybreach #cassidy #ultimatecustomnight

[WitheredCircle]

Remember to comment your thoughts on this theory! Be nice please. if you're not nice the vengeful spirit will get you or something idk

[captainspockp]

You said that Cassidy comforted Ralph in TWB... I don't think that's Cassidy tbh. The voice is described as a "woman's, " which implies an adult, not a "girl's" or "child's" voice. I think this is supposed to be Bronwen comforting Ralph.

[Rose-ddbj]

"cassidy isnt ever portrayed as vengeful against afton"
Cassidy: chased afton into a furry deathtrap

[Gathaspar-kr]

The Problem is if Andrew was intended to be the Vengeful Spirit/TOYSNHK then it was unsolvable at the time that the Game came out.

[Zeal]

I like the idea that before UCN OMC, whoever they are, convinced Cassidy to leave William to his demons (those demons could be Andrew and the animatronics he made) and that’s why TMIR1280 doesn’t say there’s a third consciousness in William and is why Golden Freddy fades into darkness, it’s supposed to be Cassidy letting go before she goes to deep like Andrew eventually does.

[CottonArsonist]

Why can't Vengeful Spirit be nice to everyone who isn't William?

Like there's being vengeful, then there's being a dick.

[Cheerybelle]

I don't think most have a personal hatred for the books.
I think the original novels not seeming to fit canon and instead just having some parallels caused everyone to think that every subsequent story was in its own separate "books" continuity and therefore not useful for solving the games.
I mean, if one stops paying attention, they won't know anything has changed until the information comes directly to them.

That's not to say that there aren't factors pushing some away from the books for various reasons, whether not being able to afford books, not having the time to spare for reading, or not enjoying the scarringly dark stories at least some books have contained, but I do think the main thing causing people to disregard the books is that people simply don't know the value of the books to solving the games.

I mean, I do imagine that there are people fed up with trying to understand FNaF and wanting to keep "settled" conclusions untouched out of sheer frustration, but, y'know... Well...
...That's a topic for another time.
After all, I have a holiday to celebrate. ;) I can't spend all day composing my thoughts on this. :)
Have a nice day!

[angelbasiliorodriguezbusto]

At the end of the day, does it really matter who is who and when does something take place?
Don't get me wrong, I love theorizing and trying to give my own answers to each of the questions behind the FNAF lore. But, while a lot the things are up in the air, we already have the template for the general story of the games.
It doesn't matter when does Sister Location take place; if FNAF 4 was real or not; who's the vengeful spirit or who are the characters in Midnight Motorist.
The outcome is always the same: Henry burns down the location, with everyone trapped inside.
At this point, we're just nitpicking and trying to give an answer to everything, even if it's an unimportant detail that doesn't really affect the story at all.

[celestialpurp]

9:08 From my own perspective, I don't hate the books on the merits of it contradicting personal answers - but rather two major factors

1. Directness in terms of continuity regarding the other games
In regards to that, Scott hasn't made it easy to know for certain how we are supposed to use the books.

Are they literally the lore as we should take them - weirdness and all, or just some of it?
Are they parallels that can explain things, but aren't necessarily what happened?
Is it in universe writers making stories based on true stories?
Did Scott just ask some writers to have fun with it?

Whatever it is, Scott has made comments partially to explain it, but not using terminology that makes it absolutely certain.
If Scott told everyone that "hey! the books are in fact like the canon of the games!" - or "sorry! these books are just for fun, but might imply some things!" the discussion would be a lot easier - but because of that fogginess, it's a lot of speculation in terms of lore relevance, and adding in the Into the Pit Videogame makes that even more complex.

2. The quantity of them, the resulting price to purchase all of them, and the time to complete them.
Let's say for simplicity, the only books we need to be concerned about is Fazbear Frights and Tales from the Pizzaplex.
Okay, let's go to Amazon, and buy both of them.

Even with the two full series box sets, however, you're going to have to pay about $200 USD in order to get both sets.

For comparison - buying FNAF 1 to 4, Sister Location, Help Wanted 1 and 2, Security Breach, and the Curse of Dreadbear DLC on Steam - that will cost you about $113 USD. (assuming you buy the Help Wanted Bundle, saving $4)

Okay, you can buy the books. Let's say each book is about 200 pages. So you just have to read about ... 2, 000 pages worth of potential information.
Do you see the problem?

If your average fan isn't even going to know whether or not the books are truly canon, whether or not the books are worth the money, and if it's going to be worth spending several days to weeks reading up on potential lore of characters whose existence is locked away in the cabinets of paper, is it fair to question that?

Is it fair to judge that ~90% of people are content with not spending that much time to determine if a character like Andrew truly is canon to the games?

I like reading once in awhile, and I do like writing a lot of the time. With that being said, to ask people to read stories that may or may not be canon, just to reach the conclusion of one thing, I think it's fair to at least make this content more accessible in the longrun if it truly does matter.

That's all I ask.
If it does matter, please let us have more accessible means (ala Into The Pit The Game) to know about it.

[ExtremeOverlord]

I agree that the community does need to look into the books more, but there are, in fact, several glaring contradictions in the Tales books that make them non-canon. I recommend Sire Squawks' video on the subject.

Squawks also puts forth the idea that the Frights books are in-game, as in they are actual books inside the game. I like that theory myself.

[captainet]

8:27 this. This is what what made, ”the lore complicated.” The fact that the community doesn’t wanna accept the books just makes lore discussing unfun and feels political.

[blueberryelf]

7:23 that was not Cassidy speaking that was Bronwen

[Taro_Yanada]

Two main things:
1) The woman comforting Ralph at the end of Night 6 in TWB is Bronwen Light, not Cassidy. She's not a force of good, she's pretty much a killer robot.
2) Cassidy has been shown to be nice to BV, who she's trying to put back togther. And, somehow, that prevents her from being TOYSNHK? I don't think so. Also, I'm confused about Andrew's personality being 1:1 with TOYSNHK's... that's because his only personality is being angry child, of course he matches TOYSNHK perfectly! His only moments of being something more than a vengeful spirit can be counted with the fingers of a single hand!
Also, there is plenty of evidence of Cassidy being TOYSNHK, such as the Chica reference in PQ, her character being drawn attention to in the time between FFPS and UCN, the Golden Freddy imagery in UCN, her being the final mystery at the time, and the fact that Andrew does conflict with some of the only comfirmed aspects of TOYSNHK, like his voice.
So, I also think that you touch an important topic in this video. People sometimes just deny the books simply because they're books, but that's okay. I mean, who has the money to buy all 25 and then the upcoming 3 more books with lore in them just to understand the silly bear game? Especially if they live in another country. But I think you get a little brash when explaining that.

[UnoriginalJokester]

I actually think all of Golden Freddy's appearances in UCN can be explained in a way that doesn't involve TOYSNHK.
- Sure, Golden Freddy shows up as UI in UCN's mobile port, but Nightmarionne is the icon of the game, and I don't see anyone claiming TOYSNHK is Charlie. Plus, ports have misinterpreted the lore sometimes.
- The Fredbear easter egg is just that: an easter egg. It only exists to put Fredbear in the game because fans wanted him to be here. We have no reason to connect it to TOYSNHK other than the death coin thing, which I don't think is strong enough of a connection anyway.
- The bear in the OMC easter egg is actually a sprite of Adventure Freddy, so if we're saying the sprite is relevant, that's better proof of it being Gabriel than Cassidy. Scott probably just didn't feel the need to make an entirely new sprite for a scene so simple.
- I think the Golden Freddy twitching cutscene is nothing more than a sendoff to the game that was itself a final sendoff. Every custom night in the franchise has been associated with Golden Freddy somehow. The custom nights in FNaF2 & Sister Location label their final challenge "Golden Freddy, " and if you really wanna stretch it, custom night in FNaF1 has a Golden Freddy jumpscare easter egg. I think this Golden Freddy twitching cutscene is just another one of those. It's a scene that represents how we beat 50/20, the "Golden Freddy" challenge of UCN. No actual lore involved, just a final goodbye type thing.

Sure, UCNDissent is an option, but I'd like to give Scott a little more credit than that. I want to believe he's smarter than to have the main antagonist be this secret 7th victim, only to make the lore bits focus on the 5th victim who doesn't even have anything to do with UCN itself. Plus, if it's about one of Afton's victims trying to stop TOYSNHK, wouldn't it make more sense to have Charlie fill that role instead of Cassidy? Since watching over the other spirits is, y'know, Charlie's whole thing. I also find UCNDuo unlikely, since in that case, The Man In Room 1280 should have at least mentioned there having once been a third brain signal, but it left at some point.

[Cross_Corp]

I might say…

I just don’t care about saying “Oh Cassidy/Andrew is the Vengeful Spirit and you’re wrong about not believing it!” because people tend to want to defend their own opinions and find a way to solve the definitive lore.

People are going to hate me but I’m still standing by as a VengefulCassidy believer mainly because Golden Freddy is still around thanks to the Fetch minigame and I want to point out that a character can have a dual personality where one’s is kindness and one’s vengeful.

Seriously, things would’ve been better if UCN never existed or that it was rewritten into Afton’s Hell and there’s no Vengeful Spirit at all.
If there was a point in rewriting the lore, I would prefer BV to be the vengeful spirit. And technically, I don’t think FNAF would ever give us satisfying answers due to how people are getting tired having a poor execution.

And I feel like people don’t want the books canon mainly because they’re stuck with the mentality of the Silver Eyes post and that sparked the parallels and made it even worse for Frights and Tales- especially the retellings because I hate how it’s always the same conclusion because I find it frustrating to think “Oh so Scott retold the lore but couldn’t tell us in the games but instead the books.”



Or maybe that the story should’ve ended with FFPS instead and all of this wouldn’t happen in the first place. Idk, I just don’t care about the book debate or the Vengeful Spirit at all

[EmotianalBrat]

The funny thing is that the calm voice we hear in TWB is the same calm voice we hear in UCN “I will never let you leave I will never let you rest…..” “she’s safe…..” she/he doesn’t need to sound vengeful to be vengeful. It’s William he/she is after not Ralph

[Flummoxyn]

I don't hate the lore from the books and its timeline or whatever

A lot of my personal pushback against the books being canon is that a ton of people aren't going to buy supplemental material to looking into the lore themselves
AND I don't personally trust that the people who talk about the books aren't being biased in their interpretation of events happening therein

The events of the games can be watched and parused by anyone because of how documented they are
You can't do the same with the books without buying them yourself or getting botched clipped paragraphs from it with people claiming its saying X even though they could be super wrong in that context

And this isnt even really about TOYSNHK
Its just lore in general

Scott or Schoolastic really need to just straight up say if a book takes place in the same continuity as the games at this point
If the books are going to be canon we have to KNOW for certain that using them is conducive to a productive comparison to events happening in the games and we just... Don't know that

With how bungled the FNAF lore is it's easy to slap some evidence together to support any theory you want
Even if its something stupid like "William Afton is Barney the dinosaur after he went to college and went to rehab" or something to that effect and it will create a small following around it even as a meme

Idk where this is going
I'm just tired of the back and forth between games vs book canon and I want an officially published definitive answer without the teeth pulling of being forced to theorize what is and isn't applicable for use in parallels vs canon

[I_Pizza]

7:49 i feel like this is unnecessarily mean spirited towards the other side. You admitted you couldn’t explain GF being important to UCN, but you still equate the other perspective to an AU, based on your own loose interpretation of who Cassidy is as a character.

I’m not really sure how you’ve concluded Cassidy is a benevolent spirit when she kills people and chased William until he killed himself, leaving him to die along with the others. IMO, you’ve missed the forest through the trees by harping on small details that have other explanations. For example, the other speaker could be Bronwen, who knows about Coppelia and wants to keep her and Ralph safe. The other spirits can be heard throughout the pizzeria despite not being near Ralph, so it’s not out of the realm of possibility.

And ultimately, if Scott thought he clearly explained what he meant with his past comments, he wouldn’t have cheekily avoided answering the question later on. The Novel Trilogy also accomplishes that role of filling in blanks to the past despite not being canon, so, what if that’s what he meant? He knows what the words continuity and canon are, but he’s never brought that up when talking about Frights. That’s why were having these discussions in the first place. 🤷‍♂️

[kalkuttadrop]

Speaking of book parallels, specifically a book series we know is parallels rather than hard canon(the novels), what's your opinion on "CharlieFriendSTM" theory?
Basically, the 6 victims of the Save Them Massacre(DCI, not calling it that for reasons see in a sec) are the game universe versions of Charlie's 6 friends from The Silver Eyes.
The evidence is all the other major book characters have game universe counterparts by FNAF 6(Henry, Afton, Charlie), the first book started being written around FNAF 3 when the DCI was still being referenced, there's a line about TWB mentioning teenagers breaking in at night sometimes, and in both cases William is working as a night guard at Freddy's under a fake name post-MCI.

You can even mention the fact Golden Freddy can randomly show up and teleport in SAVETHEM and in the book he attempts to warn them and also spookyports, and how in the book Charlie's physical intervention 'saves them', while in the games she's entirely in the Puppet and 'she can't'. And yeah this would mean it's teenagers/young adults, not children, and also just based on the timing William clearly hid the bodies given it took at least a week if not longer for Phone Guy to figure out what happened. So the D and C don't work.

[jeremymorris]

I have no problem with the book being in continuity with the games (minus the world ending stories), I even thought Tales was in continuity until VIP came out, but the problem is we don't have solid evidence of the books being in continuity and every hint we do get of the books being in continuity it's different to what we originally read.

The Interactive Novels have been pretty clear in saying we are game continuity, so VIP was the perfect opportunity to connect Tales fully to the games. But then VIP goes and contradicts Storyteller.

Into the Pit gets a game, which is questionably in continuity, but considering it's getting a Interactive Novel it likely is. (Also, if Frights was in continuity, why does Into the Pit need a Interactive Novel set in the game continuity if the original story already was) And yet, despite being based on the books, it has differences. The biggest one showing Golden Freddy being haunted while Andrew is in Fetch. (depending on when you think Fetch happens this could outright prove Andrew isn't the Vengeful Spirit).

And the whole Stichwraith appearing in Oswalds present day even though the game basically tells us it's taking place pre FNAF 3 and 6.

I personally think a version of the books did happen, but like the Into the Pit game, the events didn't play out exactly like the original short stories did.