40. 1 John 5:7 & the Trinity - Imad Awde

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[jules]

This could not be MORE clear and plain! I PRAY MANY will share many will hear & many will SEE. The irony is true-more than ever, in secular subjects as well now, in the world. Things are almost backward. Thank you for another well taught video.

[Project-OriginalReiteratedHoly]

This verse was doctored by Jerome. No Manuscript prior to the Vulgate has it. Isaac Newton wrote about this addendum in 1 John 5:7. The trinitarians added to Scripture. The "mystery" is in 1 Tim 3:16. God is only one and not a schezophrenic 3.

[berandnetteelliott]

Thank you brothers, Miami Florida. 🙏❤

[jmrdrgz]

Wow. What a beautiful expansion of explanation for this verse. Thank you for taking the time to explore it as you did.

[mattgardiner]

A Trinitarian writer added to 1 John 5:7 the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” between 2 or 300 years after the Bible was completed. That statement did not appear in the original text. These words are not found in the Codex Sinaiticus, the Codex Alexandrinus, the Vatican Manuscript 1209, the ORIGINAL Latin Vulgate, the Philoxenian-Harclean Syriac Version, or the Syriac Peshitta. Most reliable modern translations have omitted the words.

[gilbertrumbaoa]

From Wikipedia:
The Christian doctrine of the Trinity ( Latin: Trinitas, lit, ‘triad’ from Latin; trinus ( “threefold” )

Notice how Ellen G. White uses the keyword “threefold”.
She states:
“Those who are baptized in the threefold name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, at the very entrance...”
— The Faith I Live By, page 145.4
The “TRINITY” is Biblical.

[springflowerblosomnorris]

Rest in scriptures as it is written. Amen.

[jasorts]

Amazing explanation. Thank you brothers, and thank God!!

[terrancehall]

I AM AWED, I am in awe. This is truth. Regardless of the source. The Creator God wxisted before he spoke. The creater created speech. He Called forth the light. So the creater created the Word. The Word can only carry the meaning, intent, Spirit of God. The Word was then made Flesh/human by the Creator, Flesh then destroyed the Word in fleah. The creater then reconstituted the flesh of the word in an incorruptable form and placed the Word in heaven in prominance currently sitting at the right hand of the creator. Now the Word and the world and heaven awaits the pleasure of the Father as the father defeats the enemies of his Word and will place his Word in Supremacy and together the creater and the Word will rule in the completeness of the spirit.

[Michael_the_Servant]

In 100 AD, 1 John 5:7 read “For there are three that bear record”

By 1500 AD, 1 John 5:7 had “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” added to it against the wishes of many Church Fathers.

1 John 5:7 should not be used as point of defense for any doctrine.

[Mindfulmediaa]

Could you clarify why John is seemingly highlighting the distinctiveness of The Holy Ghost & The Word? If we know that the Holy Spirt/Holy Ghost/ Comforter is in fact Jesus the Christ why call them Three? If there are only two, a Father and a Son what is the emphasis on the number three all about? ( I am not a trinitarian believer).

[monikatoth]

Less than 300 years after the Bible was completed, a Trinitarian writer added to 1 John 5:7 the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” That statement did not appear in the original text.
In 1516, Erasmus published his first edition of the New Testament in Greek—the first printed copy of the Christian Greek Scriptures ever to be released. Erasmus’ work included annotations as well as his own translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures into Latin, which differed from the Vulgate. Over some time, he continued to revise his version, leading to a final product that included even more dramatic departures from the text of the Latin Vulgate. One of the differences was at 1 John 5:7. To support the unscriptural teaching of the Trinity, some spurious words known as the comma Johanneum had been added to the Vulgate. They read: “In heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” However, Erasmus excluded those words from his first two editions of the New Testament because none of the Greek manuscripts he consulted contained them. He was later pressured by the church to include them in his third edition.

[DonjohnsonBG]

Those who believe this verse promotes the Trinity doctrine how do you answer this: in John 8:17-18 Christ says; “It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. [18] I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.” Why didn’t Christ say the testimony of three men is true if the Holy Spirit is the third member of the Godhead? FYI Witness, Record and Testimony are all synonymous

[gilbertrumbaoa]

“TRINITY is “DIVINITY” in ONE GODHEAD [GOD].
1 John 5:7 reads: “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one.”
The word trinity comes from “tri” meaning three and “unity” meaning one.
Again, ... “and these three one one.” 1 John 5:7.
The “TRINITY” is Biblical.

[gilbertrumbaoa]

Ellen G. White states:

“Three distinct agencies, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, work together for human beings. They are united in the work of making the church on earth like the church in heaven.”
{15LtMs, Ms27a, 1900, par.22}

[gilbertrumbaoa]

In the “SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH, we worshipped the “HEAVENLY TRINITY OF GOD”.
1) Genesis 1:1, 26
2) Deut.6:4
3) 1 John 5:7
4) Matthew 28:19
5) John 3:16
6) 2 Cor, 1:21, 22; 13:4
7) Eph 4:6
8) 1 Peter 1:22
QUESTION: What are the names of the “false pantheon pagan gods/deities” that we worshipped in the, “SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH”?
By the way, we do not believe “ANOTHER JESUS” (2 Cor.11:4) was created or existed in any other form than the form of God.
The Trinity is “PERFECT UNITY”—not a collection of gods.
The gods constantly warring each other. That is pagan—“DISUNITY” of a collection of gods.

[InfinitelyManic]

But, the Comma Johanneum did not exist in the Greek mss witnesses for over 1400 years. Even the Majority Text excludes the Comma.
The Comma Johanneum did not exist in the earliest Latin mss including Jerome's Vulgate, but was inserted later.
The Comma Johanneum did not exist in the other ancient translations including Syriac, Slavic, Coptic, Ethiopic, and Arabic, among other ancient Bible translations.

Erasmus added the Comma Johanneum from the Greek mss Codex Montfortianus (1520) following his 2nd printed Greek edition (1519); which was provided from a Catholic repository. But Erasmus doubted the authenticity of the Comma and made an annotation about that in his 3rd printed Greek edition (1522). The Tyndale Bible, Coverdale, and the Great Bible rendered 1 John 5:7 in parentheses, indicating concerns about the Comma's authenticity. Stephanus noted that the Comma was missing in several collated Greek mss in his 1550 printed Greek text.

The only other evidence is the indirect evidence of allusions from some of the Church Fathers; namely, some Latin Fathers; but no Greek Fathers, and the grammatical structure evidence.

The question you must resolve is do we give indirect evidence equal weight against the weight of extant Greek mss witnesses in order to determine what is Holy Writ? Certainly not.

[gilbertrumbaoa]

The word trinity comes from “tri” meaning three and “unity” meaning one.
“TRINITY” according to 1914 Webster’s Elementary School Dictionary defines: “In theology, union of three persons ( the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost ) in one Godhead.”
The Bible says, “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
The “TRINITY” is Biblical...

[Sirach]

I don't understand why you're keep using the king James version it has so many errors in it.

[hsuenli]

Hold on: John did NOT wrote that. This is the ONLY well known mention of the Trinity in The Bible, and that’s because it’s an addition to The Bible. This well known falsification is called “Comma Johannis” or “Johanneun” added by the IV century, “by an unscrupulous Trinitarian scribe”, and added to the majority of the translations since 1552 until the XIX century “because of the reproaches of Diego López de Zúñiga, a Spanish theologian and priest”. And this is one of the big Red Flags over this antichrist doctrine.