Goku Vs Chara || Debunking @BuddHK

[memeenjoyer]

If you wanted to learn more about the Goku outer scale I suggest you checking Drip Sauce's channel or this video that he made

-Meme Enjoyer / Rami Soe

[xtucs]

Chara:ok its my turn to attack
Goku:this ain't pokemon little girl *key blast*

[Aleksej]

chara basically is mountain level... because undertale timeline is one big mountain.

[userxhzbsoe]

I can glady debunk that first slide for you and how Chara is not getting past 4D.

Firstly, there is no valid proof for a Type Multiverse within UT. There is a statement suggesting infinite opportunities in relation to parallel Universes (like Deltarune) which Chara did not destroy, and that's about it. UT itself is just a space-time continuum with arguably a few timelines. If you want to interpret that Chara destroyed all timelines, then you can get them to Low Multiversal, if you interpret they destroyed only 1 timeline so there would be a "next world" to move on to (reminder, everyone's definition of world is different. Toriel uses it to describe the surface, flowey does too, other monsters do, Goner kid mainly uses it for the timeline, Clamgirl uses it to reference other Universes etc. Chara's would be at least a timeline, and if by chance they're talking about Deltarune, which they have *a few vague implications* to be in, then they're talking about a different Universe. Either one of these is just Uni+-Low Multi.)

Speed involves debunking Asriel which is quite easy to do as not only is his definition of world referring to either the surafce:

*surface world.

Or Underground:

*I've done everything this world had to offer.

But it's consistent with the fact that the timeline is still there even after the fight. Some may try to argue that he brought it back which would be logically impossible as he alrrady gave up his souls and we can see everything is still black. Not to mention the barrier was still up as well which further proves his HyperGoner wouldn't have got past it. Some may claim that it upscales the barrier, and if it does then great, you conceded to the barrier>the HyperGoner which means the surface could not be affected. Frisks speed caps at subsonic and nothing higher. In fact even subsonic is kinda a highball since they only get there with the ASSUMPTION that the word barks are Mach 1 because they were made by a bark, even though TAD eas stated to create the whole world via a bark also which kinda just implies barking is how TAD does things other than typing.

Oh and Omnipresence isn't a speed. Anyone who says it's a speed, y'all are low tiers. Omnipresence is a state of being which Chara doesn't even have. Them saying they will appear at any time is also false as they literally don't appear on any other route other than Genocide and Soulless Route as well as the fact it's narratively illogical for them to be Omnipresent because if they truly wanted everything erased, they could always do it at any time by themself. They also wouldn't be able to die either. People love to ignore the narrative for the sake of highballing people.

Chara is GENEOURSLY Inaccessible Speed, and this easily can be debunked to just Time Resistance which they do display as they still remember a Reset.

Durability gets debunked automatically as their AP=Durability anyway and we already went over how a Type 3 Multiverse doesn’t exist in UT.


Now I'll just give a Goku scale. I, of course, am not into the Outer meta vut that isn't needed:

The BoG is probably Gokus greatest Cosmological feat that he does scale to as it was stated he nullifed the shockwaves by matching Beerus and outputting the exact same amount of power as him which resulted in 2 equal force to colide with each other and nullify the effect of the shockwaves making Goku scale to it.

Some try to debunk it by saying "It was stated they'd all die if the Universe was destroyed" which has many ways of happening such as Goku and Beerus eventually dying due to no more food, water, or oxygen.

Hyperspaces within the living realm would already make the living realm 4D spatially and along with a temporal axis makes it 5D. The Otherworld is stated to be dimensionally superior to even that making it 6D. That's enough by itself. There are Outer arguments as well but as I said, they are not needed (plus I don't use Outer Goku)

Speed is easily Inaccessible Speed via being comparable to Gas who was superior to Gronola who managed to kick behind himself faster than Gas could teleport behind him, essentially kicking faster than instant teleportation itself which is an Infinite-Inaccessible Speed feat bare minimum. If you want to take the anime, you could get Jiren to Immeasurable Speed via transcending time itself and Goku scales to this for obvious reasons.

AP=Durability in DB due to ki.



Now onto the short itself. You gave AE and NPI to Goku even though Chara is the one who has those (Goku has NPI too tho, but not AE) and Chara would have what Frisk has and along with what they showed which is NPI, AE, Limited Hope and Dream Manipulation, Regeneration, Recreation, Space-Time Manipulation (Resets, Saves, Loads) and ARGUABLY erasure, and the reason why I say that is because the word "erase" is often used metaphorically in UT like the time Flowey said he would follow Chara's footsteps and would erase himself from existence, even though he can't actually erase and with how Chara destroyed the world, they very likely meant it the same way as instead of erasing it, they just striked it down.

Other than that, even a 6D Goku solos the whole verse. Chara doesn’t get above 4D meanwhile Goku EASILY gets to 5D bare minimum, even if you don't apply the temporal axis to the living realm, the Otherworld would be 5D bare minumun regardless which is more than enough to solo Chara. He also has Hakai which takes care of any reviving since Chara has no feats for surviving that level of erasure or any mid godly regen factors.

[JoshuaSutcliffe-ci]

chara is not even froggit level she is just a featless fodder.
the character named CHARA you see at the end on the genocide route is just a ghost who was trapped in the svae point who canonically can only harm frisk meanwhile goku is beyond mutiversal -_- goku one shots verse
cope chara fanboys
oh and don't get me started on the 'chara destroyed a universe making her universal'
the undertale universe works just like a game as if they were behind a tv screen or computer screen... oh wait THEY ARE.
Even chara knows its just a game anyone can erase the undertale universe just by deleting it
as a matter of fact... without frisk's help chara is powerless knowing the actual chara is just a dumb kid who was protected and help by asriel toriel and asgore -_-

[pervader]

Yesss, the majority underestimates Goku. His scaling must be more recognised. Also, if he can move in a area without time and space. The universe is immeasurable/infinite. Earth is described to have infinite deserts aswell so a planet is 4d.

[itousatha]

Basically let me give yall a rundown of what he actually means.
*Strength*:
The otherworld has been stated to be a transcendental realm beyond all concept time soace and dimensionality etc.And Goku and beerus were gonna destroy that realm. This is backed up by the monthly vjumps issue of june 2013 which state that Goku vs Beerus was a super dimensional Battle with the kanji Cho-Jigen literally translating to Beyond the concept of dimensionality itself.
*Speed*:
In the t.o.p heavily supressed Jiren was said to surpass the concept of time by vados and goku in ui was faster then jiren and we even see everyone sayong goku got faster.in the manga granola outpspeeds the instant transmission a ability thats allows one to travel distances in an instant wheter it is infinte or not for example goku being able to go to the kais realm with it woth the kais realm being an infinite distance away.which means goku speed is infinte.
Durability:
Same as strength
Agility:
Same as speed
A.P:
Same as durability
D.C:
HAKAI!
Abilities:
A lot like too many
Hax:
Being able to somehow do things in soace where time soace and dimensionality dont exist.
Overall:
Goku sces to outerversal with infinte to irrelevant speed
Who solos no concept of diff:
Goku

[Homelander_comics]

For me, it seems very ugly to undervalue Goku because of his tremendous level of power.

[dipprebaixado]

The scariest part is that this outer goku feat is below his base form (r.o.f) as stated in guides and he is immensurably more powerful now so we can onky say he's extraversal because its impossible to calxulate his current power

[เมธัสรัตนัย]

Don't forgot about Hakai
He can use it in manga

[GokuZX]

MEGA Massive W Fax Bro Overkill as Hell ☠️ OMG Yamcha Negs that Fodder Verse 💀
New sub Goku Enjoyer as Well

[Swordp]

For some reason, people never really talk about dunking Goku

[JayyedIsBack]

Chara can erase timelines, Save and load different times. And technically immortality. She/he’ll respawn at her/his previous save slot. Her/his save is basically reversing time. Learning weaknesses and attack patterns. I’m no fanboy, but I do research.

Yes I have no life, don’t bother.

YES MY FATHER LEFT ME SHUT UP.

[JumpingG]

It’s confusing because chara might have a save point and goku dogdes (like sans but dodges more) so it would be chara to decide if they wanna fight him, they can reset or they can just give up

[anthro-rhalthewagon]

The only feat Canon Chara has is that they killed frisk/player when you decline their deal.

[locosword]

If you do verse equalization Goku literally has more determination easily, he fucking DESTROYS Chara and easily takes the ability to save and reload that timeline.

[TherealPoifr]

Finally a guy who's not Overrating chara 😔

[itousatha]

This fax level scales to boundless
Good job

[Nosequeponerme-sfjn]

Yo viendo los comentarios de este short:Gringos siendo

[BROLY]

I don't think this man
We don't need any other thing for cosmology i guess
Because even in manga its mentioned that db cosmology already transcends dimensions
Its in daizenshuu which is said canon by akira toriyama himself