Confusion Over Olympic Boxing Gender Controversy

JRE #2186 w/Ari Matti

[Dmindtalk]

1950: we will cure cancer by 2024
2024: what is gender?

[MLclubhouse]

This is the worst gender reveal in history.

[carrottopadc]

Personally I like to make my mind up after the very first headline and then tell everyone else they’re wrong

[petefraser]

"It's a bit of a pickle" did not get the love it deserved

[melissahofer]

I am a 61 year old woman. I was in the army long ago when that was very unusual. I was a medical supply specialist. That was fine and opened new opportunities for women. I went to college.

I remember our girls unit running the obstacle course. We were fit, we did great! Whooo who! Then we watched the male unit run it after us (whose start was delayed because we took longer than the alloted time). Drill sgt told them to make up for us and get back on schedule. They halved our time.

I honestly believe women have done this to themselves by insisting that "anything you can do, I can do better". Men can't retain any organization to themselves. Not combat duty, not scouting. Now women expect men to defend women's sports. Biology suddenly matters.

[ThereForWar]

Never thought I’d see the day where we would have to debate what a woman is!!!!😭😭😭

[jojo]

“It’s a bit of a pickle 🥒 “ then chuckles lmaoooo

[YankeeStacking]

It’s becoming a literal CURSE to be a true female athlete.

[TylerWx]

You can feel empathetic towards someone without giving them all kinds of things that they don't deserve.

[LarryBordinger]

I talked with a physician on FB concerning DSD and Swyer-which he is not. This is what he said leaving me out. Facts from a doctor:
In 2016 Olympics all 3 medalists in the women’s 800 m were XY with the DSD 5-ARD deficiency. This condition prevents the development of male external genitalia but sufferers have testes not ovaries . When they reach puberty the testes produce normal male levels of testosterone and the typical changes of voice muscle hair.
This gives them huge athletic advantage over Females XX.
These 3 were banned by the highest sport court.
Shamefully the IOC have not nullified their medals despite admitting they are biologically male.
IK the Algerian boxer has all the features of this condition including confirmed XY and high testosterone.
The boxer could easily provide a simple cheek swab if they are XX but they have already decided to not challenge the IBA ban.
Yes as a baby DSD look like girls but they go through normal male puberty and in sport that is a huge class advantage.
The Algerian team will know this and are exploiting a ridiculous IOC loophole.
DSDs are not super rare and there are plenty of good academic papers explaining them.
The ignorance displayed on many posts here is breathtaking.
Males XY should not be fighting XX. No if or buts.
My fellow physicians in elite sports medicine all agree that any person who goes through male puberty has immutable advantage. We are silenced by political organizations including IOC.
5-ARD deficiency have variable phenotypes but all but a minority are brought up as girls despite XY bc the deficit is specifically for external genitalia development. Studies show that in every other respect ie muscle mass O2 max lung capacity and more, they are male.
(Brain?)-There is some evidence that even before puberty or in utero a Y chromosome does influence our neurological systems.

[name-vifs]

The response from the boxing association was perfect. We can't say the results because of privacy, but we only test for chromosomes, and they aren't female.

[druu]

Austin powers solved this mystery back in 1997 .

[jopo]

The women's rule should be simple.
If you don't have a box, you don't get to box.

[bk-susi]

regardless of gender, this shows how willfully ignorant some people are. it's actually pathetic how many adults would rather double down on their ignorance instead of admitting fault or even considering the possibility they were wrong.

[lukenixon]

Rogan hasn’t even read his own source 🤦‍♂️

[zohrar.]

If Imane is suing multiple parties for defamation, it likely means she believes that several individuals or organizations have made false and damaging statements about her. Defamation cases can be complex, as they involve proving that the statements in question were not only false but also made with a certain level of negligence or intent to harm.

In a defamation lawsuit, the plaintiff (Imane, in this case) would need to demonstrate that:

1. The statements made were false.
2. The statements were communicated to others (published).
3. The statements caused harm to her reputation.
4. In some cases, that the defendant acted with negligence or actual malice.

The outcome of such a case could vary widely depending on the evidence, the jurisdiction, and the specific nature of the statements.

Is there something specific you’d like to know about this situation or defamation cases?

[jackjones]

She failed the test and could easily clear the situation up by doing another test but refuses to do one.

[syxs]

what's the point of having weight classes if physical attributes don't matter?

[sergiotetoduartecoronel]

Wow! Joe talking about steroids, and when someone ask him about Jon Jones, he all of a sudden don’t understand anything

[tobiasisrael]

Nobody is arguing that Amanda Nunez can beat some/ most average guys not active in any athletic she's not beating a male fighter in her same category period