Lemmy - The FOSS & Federated Reddit Alternative

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In this video I show off some different Lemmy instances and discuss why the lemmyverse and even some individual Lemmy instances can become a better alternative to Reddit.

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The more big social media companies keep screwing up the more popular those foss alternatives get
And I am happy to see it happening

dark_dude
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When you think about it, reddit is absolutely nothing without its communities. Once you move those communities, theres nothing at all about the site that's worth anything. All they do is host a website. thatll be their downfall

lumikera
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as someone who was never used reddit, watching it implode and get a replacement already is pretty funny.

flawseeingeye
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I'm sad how reddit pretty much killed old school forums. Nice to see somewhat of a resurgence with this whole reddit fiasco causing people to look for other sites like this, but the sad truth is most people will probably just go back to reddit after everyone forgets.

dibby
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I’ve been pretty happy with Kbin so far, really just a UI preference thing though given it federates with the rest of the fediverse.

Dubious.Bovine
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Having a central authority decide whether you're allowed to see whole communities disregarding your own personal preference, is bad design. Having to create a new account when some admin goes nuclear is how we got in this mess in the first place. We need decentralized accounts.

tiagotiagot
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Problem: reddit's dictator went on a power trip
Solution: an infinitude of reddits each with its own power tripping dictator

I guess it's an improvement but these communities are still going to be partisan echo chambers that excommunicate even moderate ungoodthink.

thesenamesaretaken
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Honestly this is cool, but I don't have confidence in this, or other federated social media working. The main thing that I think holds back federated services is the simple fact that people can defederate. You can already see with Lemmy, and have seen with Mastodon, that people will defederate instances just because some power tripping douchebag decides they don't like someone's political beliefs. Combine that with the fact that normal people aren't going to host their own, and just latch on to the most popular one, and you've essentially got the same problems reddit has, only under new management.

calciums
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"....and it's written in Rust"

That's the kind of selling that indeed works only for reddit users.

drakonchik
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It's not the Rust and decentralization that sells. It's whether or not it has content and users

max_ishere
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I'm not so sure there can be a true Reddit alternative that doesn't suck in some way. I don't really care about the creator's opinions on their own. If the platform is truly open then that wouldn't matter. But after seeing what Mastodon turned into, I'm not as big on the idea of federated platforms being much more open and free than centralized or completely separate ones. The issue I saw was that the initial instance has it's own TOS that it pushes on any other instance that wants to federate with it. It blocks certain instances that don't follow their TOS or that allow content they disagree with, and blocks any instance that doesn't block those same instances or have the same TOS.

This lead to Mastodon kind of being two separate things. The tightly controlled Mastodon pretty much blocks most free speech. While the wasteland Mastodon allows pretty much anything to the point that many instances will allow users to post even illegal content. A lot of instances became unmoderated over time, which lead to them being a federation hazard. If you federate with their instance, you'll find users on them posting extreme, disturbing, or outright illegal content. This leads to more blocking being done. As a result, it's less one giant fediverse, the outside mastodon fediverse is more of a series of small fediverses that are blocked off from one another due to instances not really federating much anymore. The inside fediverse ends up being this centralized community that pretends it is federated, sort of like Reddit and it's subreddits actually. The only upside is that at any moment, an instance might decide to federate with the outer communities. Whereas subreddits are entirely controlled by the main website itself. But by doing this, they will inevitably be blocked by all of the other inner instances, and as a result of that, people who were following or being followed by users on other instances in the fediverse would end up losing those follows. Said instance would basically lose most of it's content instantly if the other instances chose to defederate from it.

All in all, the two wildly different types of communities sprung from wildly different sources. The idea off the fediverse appeals to those who value free speech, but as can be seen, the platform itself seems to have sprung up more from dissatisfaction with Twitter, not because Twitter went too far in moderation, but because it didn't go far enough. The inner Mastodon community ended up being more of an echo chamber than Twitter itself was.

Hence why I am more weary with the idea of a Reddit clone. It being federated should on the surface mean that it would be a more open platform since anybody could make their own instance of it. But if Mastodon is any indication, Lemmy and other clones will likely lead to two or more fragmented communities, one large one that prefers an echo chamber and risks being more closed off and restricted than Reddit itself is, another that will likely become more and more fragmented over time due to lack of moderation. And if the user is the kind of person that sees Reddit as this giant forum where you sign in once and become part of any community, they will likely pick the former over the latter, especially if they need an account on more than one instance if the instances all end up defederated from one another.

AlbedoAtoned
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btw, for people worried by the Devs' weird tankie politics (that also makes some of the major instances very tankie), there's also Kbin, a newer project that is also FOSS, decentralised and federatable.

yuvalne
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Oh look selfhosted private internet forum! How cool ! Why did nobody thought of this before?
😂

sznikers
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It will just turn out to another sort of platform with full of snowflakes where you can't post anything and then 7 mods controls most of the communities.

tone
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Lemmy is cool but why not use forums again?

TheBenSanders
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Carrying over the politics and toxicity of Reddit to other platforms
Redditors never change

sweetmelon
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I will start using Lemmy communities once the pages scale to desktop resolutions

kalma
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>Fediverse

that name glows so hard

Schizonibba
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I don't think the Digg/Reddit/Lemmy model is the way. Old forums were much less cruel places, more meaningful, more useful.

KyriosHeptagrammaton
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Once enough instances have been defederated, they'll form their own federation. 10 years down the line, you have lots of different federations that ban certain content and each require a seperate account. It'll be the ultimate echo chamber.

maverigz