What Spell Were Sirius and Lupin Going to Kill Peter with? - Harry Potter Theory

Welcome to Harry Potter Theory. In today’s video, we’re going to be discussing Sirius Black, Remus Lupin, Peter Pettigrew, and the moment in the Prisoner of Azkaban when Wormtail feared for his life.

During the 1993-1994 school year, Sirius Black plotted to kill Peter Pettigrew, the man who framed him, in an effort to avenge the deaths of Harry’s parents - Lily and James Potter. Pettigrew was of course the secret keeper that went sour- disclosing the location of the Potter cottage to Voldemort, and it was his actions that resulted in their deaths.

Sirius Black was the initial choice for secret keeper, but Sirius, thinking that Voldemort might target him, suggested that they choose Pettigrew instead. The following excerpt from Sirius addresses this:

"Lily and James only made you Secret-Keeper because I suggested it... I thought it was the perfect plan... Voldemort would be sure to come after me, would never dream they'd use a weak, talentless thing like you... It must have been the finest moment of your miserable life, telling Voldemort you could hand him the Potters."

After betraying the Potters Sirius went after Peter, but only ended up being blamed for more of Peter’s crimes- successfully being framed by him. The fact that Sirius suggested Pettigrew be secret keeper, only to have him betray them, and then be blamed for HIS crimes, ate away at Sirius for the duration of his time at Azkaban. This meant that he had years to plan his revenge, and he landed on the decision that he would kill Peter the second he got out.

During the 1993–1994 school year, Sirius Black pursued this very objective in an effort to avenge the deaths of his friends. He escaped Azkaban, and eventually found himself in the Shrieking Shack, along with fellow marauder Remus Lupin (who was teaching at Hogwarts) and ex-marauder Pettigrew (in rat form).

This was Sirius’s opportunity to finally kill Pettigrew, and Remus, who was present at the time, decided that he wanted in:

Peter Pettigrew: "You don't understand! He would have killed me, Sirius!"

Sirius Black: "THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE DIED! DIED RATHER THAN BETRAY YOUR FRIENDS, AS WE WOULD HAVE DONE FOR YOU!"

Remus Lupin: "You should have realised if Voldemort didn't kill you, we would. Good-bye, Peter."

At this point the pair point their wands at him

"Shall we kill him together?" "Yes, I think so," said Lupin grimly.

Now, obviously they don’t end up killing him, so we don’t get to see how it’s done, but what I wonder is: what spell would they have used? The pair were killing him together, and avada kedavra certainly doesn’t require 2 people, so what was their course of action going to be?

I certainly don’t think that swift and easy was their preferred option, particularly as Pettigrew had wronged them on so many levels. For this reason I’m of the impression that they may have used Transmogrifian Torture, a spell similar to crucio, with the exception that the victim will eventually die. It’s much worse than avada kedavra, but it avoids ‘unforgivable’ status for reasons beyond me.

In addition to wanting to draw out Pettigrew’s death, I think that Remus and Sirius also committed the act together to share the blame in the event that they were caught. At this stage Sirius was a guilty man, and Pettigrew was not, so if the Ministry determined that Pettigrew was in fact NOT a death eater, then they would have been on the hook for killing him.

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[raghavjay]

Now we need a video on Tranmorgrifian Torture! Please make it happen

[hunterkiller]

Transfigurate a bunch of cats while forcing Peter back to his rat form.

[ashleyofnaath]

It astounds me that two movies prior, Hermione had the presence of mind to petrify Neville so the group could continue on to locate the Sorcerer's stone, yet failed to do the same to Peter Pettigrew in this moment when the stakes were far higher. Not to mention that Peter was an animagus; particularly a rat, meaning if he transformed they'd be unable to catch him. How...convenient🤷‍♀️.

[SquirrelASMR]

Maybe this spell: get your hands off my god son *punch!*

[TailsIsDisappointed]

Speaking of Lupin, I've always wondered if Lupin genuinely forgot to take his potion that night... or if he intentionally didn't take it.

[rlmccormack]

Imagine the lives that could’ve been saved if Sirius killed Peter.

[rishimurari]

Some fun facts for potterheads😊: 1. Harry's signature spell- experlliamus , was an important and powerful spell in the series. It saved him almost every time he duelled voldemort. But the funny thing is that harry learned this spell on his own in COS when he saw Snape( Harry's worst enemy at that time) using it on Lockhart in dueling club .
2 . Bill was the most powerful and Bravest of the weasleys.he might not be as beautiful as he was in earlier days of the series, but he alone was the Weasley who can speak the dark lords name as"VOLDEMORT" instead of "you know who".even the most powerful aurors(mad eye, Kingsley and tonks) were afraid to speak The dark lords name😅.
3.James and lupin, the only married maradurers had very little time with their Son's.

[koriehookey]

I love seeing your videos. Also love seeing how fast and big your channel is getting. Was one of your first subscribers.

[kaimagnus]

The two of them forcing Wormtail into a partial transfiguration would have been pretty messed up. Like permanently trap him in a Half man-Half Rat body that he can never shift out of. He'd suffer miserably from the deformities, never be able to get any help because he's suppose to be dead, and eventually die a slow and agonizing death as a litteral reptesentation of the sorry creature he was on the inside. Cruel and Sadistic but also kind of poetic.

[BrennySpain]

I am honestly loving these shorter quicker videos! Please keep them up!!

[generalbutterscotch]

Actually, this reminds me of another big question I've always had that I'd love to see in a video: Why didn't _Snape_ ever try to kill Peter after Prisoner of Azkaban to avenge Lily?

[johnslade]

On hindsight they should have accounted for his transformation, Lupin hadn't taken his potion for some reason though i suspect its because he saw Peter, Sirius and harry hermione and ron in the same place.

[Deer_weeb]

These videos are just outstanding! And the theories are quite interesting!

[nicklarose]

I think you are failing to consider the fact that Harry, Ron, and Hermione were both present and watching. Both Sirius and (especially) Lupin, would have taken that into consideration before doing anything potentially incredibly traumatic in front of them. Violently torturing someone to death in front of three 14 year old kids.. I don't know about that.

[Alex-pmtq]

Can you make a theory on this ?

What if draco and harry became friends but both had slight alignment changes before meeting .

Harry from good to neutral in this timeline getting bullied changed him for the slightly worse making him a more cold individual.

draco from evil to neutral his expectations and bearing down from his father turned him slightly away from being so arrogant and belittling.

They form their own group over the years and enlist others in their new neutral ways of thinking not bowing down to voldemort or being overshadowed by dumbledore. They create their own unique philosophy and together become a fierce and powerful duo.

[ericgabrielalvesdecarvalho]

Simple:
Wormtail: What are you gonna do?
Sirius: You like Gum?
Wormtail: Yes?...
Sirius: Here a gun instead *Shoot noises*
Lupin: What is this?
Sirius: A gun, a muggle thing, its good as much as a Avada

[xqiuvmah]

The Potter's decision to use Sirius/ Peter as the secret keeper never made sense to me. They were members of the order, they were already betting everything on Dumbledore, why not add one more burden on his capable shoulders. Every member of the order new that they would lose if Dumbledore ever fell, so he was the safest choice. It's like locking a key inside its own lockbox, you need to break the box to get the key, but then you don't need the key anymore

[kght]

they were probably going to do what they would imagine that voldemort would do to a failed traitor. they were going to go dark, maybe irredeemably. it would have been a magic construct not a single spell i think, it was clear that they intended to take pleasure in what they were about to do. harry kinda saved them both.

[apratimtewari]

The incantation for Transmogrifian torture is - "Tormentum mortem" and requires a complicated wand movement.

[felixhogsander]

As already said, daily routine now! albeit you need a break from time to time, this is now a part of my life! Keep it coming!