TESLA Prices Have CRASHED

I chatted with Brandon from Car Questions Answered about his experiment with buying not one but TWO used Teslas--at bargain prices no less! What's his experience been like, and would he recommend a used Tesla to his friends and fans?

Used cars threaten Tesla's Business

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[windows_down]

I’m a v8 mercedes guy and all about used depreciated luxury cars. Got my wife a model Y and it is THE SMARTEST, best vehicle I think I’ve ever owned. Absolutely mind blowing as a daily driver. V8’s for the weekend cruise

[bluetoad]

What is very accurate in a Tesla is the amount of charge you'll have left at the end of a given trip. Have the battery indicator set on percentage. You have to use the navigation system because that means the car can take elevation etc. into consideration. My Tesla isn't at all optimistic when doing this, if anything it's pessimistic.

[DonBurke]

For range, as others have said, it is best to use the percent of battery rather than miles. It is a much more useful way to manage energy. Also, always navigate to your destination so the trip energy management tools can be leveraged. These tools incorporate a ton of variables like wind, temperature, elevation, traffic, tire pressure, etc. Learn how to use the trip graphs on the energy page. They are very insightful and useful.

[dr-k]

We bought a 52k mile LR Model 3 2019 that we used for UBER. The build quality of the one we purchased from a used car dealer was great and the only unexpected repairs were one recalled part, a charge port issue and other other thing I can't recall. It was under $27K and for the year and 3 months that we had it paid for itself and then some. We upgraded to a New 2024 Model Y from Tesla with 4 miles on the odometer. It's being used for Uber and it's a major upgrade for us. I am still glad we went used first because it fit our budget and it was purchased as a work vehicle. We upgraded when there was about to be another repair needed for the charge port BUT luckily Tesla offered 1. 99% financing on a model 3 or Y. The deal was too good to pass up. Once you go Tesla you never go back, at least that is true in our house.

[jdudleyh]

The other selling point on Teslas and most Battery Electric Vehicles (BEVs) is the safety. That's what originally got me the most interested. In an ICE vehicle you have a lot of heavy metal under the hood that will push into the passenger compartment during a frontal collision. In a Tesla there's a nice safe crumple zone in front and very little else. Also with the battery location, the center of gravity for BEVs is lower (yielding less rolls/flips). The battery itself adds structural rigidity to aid in side impacts. And the active safety features (ADAS) that come standard on every Tesla model help prevent collisions. If you value the life/health of yourself and your passengers, then it doesn't make sense not to value the safety of Tesla vehicles.
Autopilot has saved me a couple of times in the 5 years I've used it. Full Self Driving is at a point where it will likely save me from a collision. I am at the point where I get upset if FSD is not available to me. I had an incident with my garage door that damaged my trunk lid and it wouldn't close properly. FSD was unavailable until I got the trunk lid repaired (rear camera is on the lid). It was really quite an inconvenience for that week.

[EFF]

I have a 2013 leaf; it still shows 57 miles of range when full. It’s a great spare car. And works great for us around town.
I think it’s better than any other $5k car option.

[crowdertom]

John and Brandon.


Brandon bought a 2019 M3 SR w 86, 000 miles for $17k.
And a 2019 model S LR with 100, 000 miles for $22, 000 with new battery.

What did you think would happen. One of Tesla‘s primary goals is to make electric cars more affordable. Therefore as Tesla refines their production, their cars are continually relatively cheaper. There goes our resale. If my 2023 M3 is as reliable as they say, I’ll never need another car. And it drives itself!

The EPA Range estimates are based on driving 55 mph on a flat road with no traffic and no wind and no elevation change, no air conditioning or heat. Otherwise you’re gonna have less range.

Auto pilot is only intended for limited access, divided highways.

FSD 12.5.* is radically better.

You can turn on the AC five minutes before you get in the car.

You can’t judge the cyber truck until you drive one.

[DonBurke]

Regarding battery replacements, it is important to understand that Tesla does not replace a failed battery pack with a brand new pack. The packs are almost always refurbished packs and they attempt to find a pack that is roughly equal to the old pack's performance. So, if your old pack had lost 10% of rated range when new, the replacement pack is likely to have about a 10% range hit as well. Tesla does include a modest warranty with the replacement, but I believe it is only one year and I don't know how many miles. There are companies that will provide a replacement pack for less, but I've heard mixed reviews on using those companies, and there is no warranty that comes with them.

[cbmusgrave]

Range highly sensitive to speed and acceleration for any type of vehicle. Power to overcome aerodynamic drag grows with cube of the velocity and energy grows with the square. So, range is 47% less at 75 mph vs 55.

[Plisko]

Wow I remember this guy from an earlier conversation when he was thinking about buying a used Tesla. Now he is all in... what a transformation.

[stefan.ステファン]

I still remember Bradons first drive in Dr. Model Y - "...I am not making this left turn on FSD, no matter how many robots are driving this car..." 🎉❤

[GenRicOpekc]

Brandon, as a Tesla investor, I welcome and need your input. We do not have used car experts that can really compare Tesla and other EVs against each other and ICE. I will be watching you.

[andrasbiro]

As for Autopilot, I have only HW1, the old MobilEye system, and I use it all the time. Phantom braking and other issues are exceptionally rare. It's only limitation is that it needs clearly visible lines, or a lead car.

And the of course this just adds to the feeling, when you drive any other car, that you are a cavemen banging rocks together.

[Sloneoak]

I notice I can lose 20% just running around town in my CyberTruck.The real magic happens when you take it on a roadtrip. If it says you will have 10% left if you drive the speed limit, you WILL have over 10% when you arrive at the supercharger. It takes weather, wind, elevation all into consideration .

[BigHtrades]

I would have liked Brandon to mention that depending on where he or his mom live, the idea of "charging at home', in not only convenient it can be a huge cost savings for many areas of the USA. Where we live, and using "Time of Use" pricing, our charging makes our Tesla Model Y 93% LESS "fuel" cost than what our former mid-sized 4 cylinder ICE car cost us, based on $2.85 per gallon gasoline. For us, it is a complete logic driven decision, and our next vehicle will be a model 3 this fall, and when CyberTruck pricing gets below $90K + - we will be buying one as well.

[ronolsberg]

Don't know what happened to the 2019 Tesla Model 3 he purchased but my friend's 2019 Model 3 with 80K miles looks like new! None of the panels are falling off.

[jimfergusondev]

37:30 Dotted line... here's the deal, sounds like TACC(Traffic aware curze control) when its going over the lines. FSD is now a single pull down on the stock. TACC is also a single pull down. Auto Stear is the second (double) pull down on the stock (auto piolet)

[wreckinball]

My 2019 Model 3 Performance has 80K miles and doesn't creek or have parts falling off.

[viperphlyer]

Good to hear a different, somewhat skeptical point of view.

[randomsonmymind]

What he's talking about only confirms what sandy says about the older model 3. Great discussion.