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[jaimebrown]

It is such a relief that this issue is being brought to the attention of the public. Thank you NewsNation for not being intimidated by the AANP and for putting patients' safety first!

[void]

I don't want to demonize all NPs but my god you can clearly see the ego pouring out of that AANP president...

[CsCfg]

This is an absolute disgrace, shame on Sophia Thomas and every NP who value their ego over patient care.

[VSG]

anyone who calls themself a "doctor" in a clinical setting that isn't an MD or DO needs to be prosecuted. They are intentionally misleading the patients. If NP's want full practice authority they should go to medical school. But there in lies the problem: everybody wants to be a doctor but not everyone wants to put in the work.

[carexpert]

Sohpia's answer at 10:50 is that Nurse practitioners practice "healthcare" and not medicine. This is so that Nurse practitioners can be held to a lower standard when things go wrong.

[GB-mtmj]

Notice how the president of the AANP didn't actually answer any of the questions

[barneylinux]

To those inevitable comments that nurses have thousands of hours of clinical experience.

Does thousands of hours of working in construction make you a civil engineer? Would you be happy with a bridge built by someone not trained to design and build bridges?

Nurses are selected and trained for qualities that make good nurses, which is following administering medications and treatments prescribed by a doctor.

Doctors(MD/ DO)are selected and trained for diagnosis, treatment, and managing the overall health of the patient.

Doctors are not qualified to do nursing, nurses are not qualified practice medicine. A short two year course with online training and low standard doesn’t even come close to approaching competence of care.

[lebellees-double-you]

11:58 "They recommend that Nurse Practioners have full practice authority because they know and understand that NP practice and clincial outcomes are EQUAL to our Physician Colleagues.... Absolutely not Sophia!! What planet are you on? The hours, training and depth of medical training are NOT EQUAL with Physicians. End of discussion.

[DJ-dkrx]

As a medical student, I take one look at that little girl's vitals and know she is severely ill. This absolutely should not have happened. Midlevel providers can be useful members of a TEAM, but should never practice independently without direct physician (MD or DO) supervision for this very reason.
During the third year of medical school alone, students easily log well over 3000 hours of clinical training. Nurse Practitioners can graduate from online programs with only 500 hours of training. After medical school, I will complete a four-year residency, working 80+ hour work weeks before I can practice independently in my specialty. NPs are not held anywhere near to this same standard either, as they are not required to complete residency training at all.
People deserve transparency in their medical care. Midlevels should not practice independently and should absolutely not refer to themselves as "the doctor" in a clinical setting. Protect yourselves and your loved ones and request to be seen by a physician (MD or DO). If something doesn't feel right, go to the ER and request to be seen by a physician there.

Edit to add: THANK YOU NewsNation for this story. Please keep up the good fight in battling against the dangers of NP independent practice.

[cathymclaughlin]

Physicians: We practice medicine

Nurses: We practice nursing

Nurse practitioners: We practice healthcare???

What does that even mean? Sophia Thomas answering like a politician to avoid the elephant in the room, that yes, in those two cases, the unsupervised NPs were practicing medicine without a medical license. And death was the result. Since one of the NPs introduced herself to the family as an attending physician, that’s impersonating a physician. The public absolutely has a right to know. Sophia says pts can choose NPs. Well doesn’t look like Alexis Ochoa got to choose when she got to that ER.

[relema]

This is a much needed story. Patients deserve to know who is taking care of them and understand that training levels between np and doctors are not the same. They also deserve to know corporate greed is putting inexperienced providers in the er with no physician oversight

[ns]

There are significant details being left off to fit this into a 15 min segment. Betty's oxygenation had multiple reading recording high 80s and the NP decided to go with the highest reading of 94%. The family asked Nurse practitioner why she was BLUE and were told that its because of fever. Common sense will tell you that's not correct. In the case of Alexus, the paramedic transporting her to the first ER called into the ER with the CORRECT diagnosis of Pulmonary Embolism. The diagnosis was on a silver platter and was made by the paramedic. The nurse practitioner seeing Alexus thought she was so much smarter than a paramedic and refused to listen. THIS IS CRIMINAL.

[pointeprincess]

That NP who introduced themselves as an attending physician should be immediately reported to the state nursing board.

[hiennle]

Spot on. Please watch and learn how to advocate for yourself and your loved ones.

[ns]

Everyone watching this video: Please note this phenomenon is happening EVERYWHERE...rural and urban clinics and medical centers including our academic hospitals and ivory towers. EVERYWHERE. Open your eyes and now you can't unsee the problem. Bait and Switch is real. You make an appointment with a physician specialist and you are seen ONLY by the assistant. You pay the same. Demand to see the physician or refuse to pay. Call your insurance and complain. FACT: nurse practitioners and physician assistants order more unnecessary labs, imaging, medications and inappropriate referrals. Guess who is the loser in all this----> The Patient.You get to pay for all of the $$$extra$$$

[yanzhex]

Just as a reminder, Petsmart groomers need 800 hours of hands on training, NP graduation requirement is only 500 hours...

[bryandunn]

As an emergency physician with over 25 years in the trenches, I’ve worked with NPs of both types—those who went through nursing school, gained experience over several years of hospital work (ICU, emergency dept, OR), and those who worked with physicians in their clinics. They then went on to further their education and increase their skill set in brick and mortar NP programs. They know how a team works, and they are very good at what they do. The other type is the product of online diploma mills that crank out NPs with as little as 500 hours of clinical experience. This is the dangerous population. They don’t know what they don’t know, and their schools as well as the AANP leadership tell them from the beginning that they can offer care on par with a physician who has many years of training and tens of thousands of hours of clinical experience. Look out.

[maazarif]

So sad....I fear for patients most of all. I will try my best to advocate for our MD/DO profession

[shredder]

Always ask to be seen by an MD or DO, do NOT settle for any less.

[mitochondriaisthepowerhous]

“Nurses practice healthcare, not medicine”

Couldn’t have said it better myself, healthcare is a $3, 500, 000, 000, 000 business (trillion), medicine is an art as old as human civilization itself. Preying on a vulnerable and unsuspecting population is absolutely deplorable.