Wayland Is Here: Fedora Linux Is Just The Start

Recently there was a discussion about Fedora switching it's KDE spin over to Wayland only and the same is being discussed on GNOME but this is just the start, Wayland is here now, it's time to get used to it.

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[hopelessdecoy]

Honestly once the Nvidia issues are worked out I'm 100% on board. I want Wayland to be successful and make Linux hopefully future proof expandability wise.

[Erilithia]

Someone has to make changes like these in order for them to push the rest of the industry forwards. Like it or not, Fedora does that pretty effectively. I don't know why people were surprised about this frankly.

[gorrumKnight]

As an Intel Arc user, hyprland has become my home. Wayland is just so much more fluid and smooth af across the board. Can't wait for WINE to drop better Wayland driver bits.

[hyperspeed]

The big reason I think a bunch of Youtubers started recommending Fedora is that bleeding edge software has become so much better than the older versions in Ubuntu. Especially since around when Gnome 40 released, we’ve been seeing huge, rapid improvements to Linux that have been for the most part very stable

[lukas_ls]

What other distro if not fedora should force the transition to wayland? I think it's more or less the right time even though it's still not quiet the right time to do it.
People who are using Fedora should already know what they're up to. Even though Fedora is often said to be easy, I'd argue that's always been a very advanced distro that should only be used by people who at least kind of know what they're doing

[michaelk.]

I've switched to Plasma 5 on Wayland after I got my hardware upgrade to AMD in August and I have to say, I'm not missing a lot from my old i3wm+X11 setup. There were a few shell scripts that became part of my workflows over the years which I had to change up a bit, but nothing unfixable. Wayland is definitely going in the right direction.

[aeaeaeaeoaeaeaeaeae]

The only objection id have to moving 100% to wayland is that the Xorg logo just looks so much cooler :)

[ContraVsGigi]

Just yesterday I had a look at two on my often to non-stop running programs to see if they work on Wayland and nothing really changed in the last few months (years, actually). If I am to switch, I want my workflow to work, so I won't switch very soon. As long as I don't have to, I cannot see any reason to search for worse alternatives just to be on the Wayland list. The fact that Brodie doesn't run Wayland is confirming I am not the only one thinking like this. My machine is production, I cannot afford experimenting just for the sake of it.

[brolinofvandar]

i actually booted to the Wayland version on my Opensuse desktop yesterday. And discovered right off the bat that virtually nothing that normally resides in my system tray works. Basically, the only thing that showed up was the clipboard and the volume. Plus, moving the mouse over the popup for the system tray left trails behind.

That's as far as I got. Maybe all the major stuff works fine. But, I'll put it this way. I already went through a transition that destroyed virtually every desktop customization and widget I was using with no immediate replacement. That was going from KDE3 to KDE4. I'm not doing it again.

Unless forced, I will not move to Wayland until it's actually a replacement for what I have now. It appears we really aren't there yet.

[TheUAoB]

There were a number of commercial X servers available with Linux support in the early years, MetroX and Accelerated-X spring to mind.

[MyAmazingUsername]

Ignoring all other issues, NVIDIA loses 16% game performance on Wayland. I will not switch until that is solved.

[Beryesa.]

Hopefully it'll pressure Nvidia until Ubuntu puts the final nail in the coffin. 🔥

[stephanhuebner]

One big issue I see is *if* things aren't working smoothly, people who are new to Linux will not care *why* things are broken, they will just turn around and use something else, blaming Linux in general.

I think the people responsible for this decision to drop X11 support should seriously think about the perception they may create with the wider audience.

[thingsiplay]

I think one of the problems for adoption is, not giving enough reasons to switch. All the talks are about making Wayland work and how much it does not work. I don't see much discussion about why Wayland is better than X11 and why we need to switch. Right now, I build a new computer (last week) and it is based on X11. And it works. If it was Wayland, I am not so sure how many problems I would had. And I don't know what I would have from Wayland I could not get in X11. So my suggestion is to talk more about why anyone wants to use Wayland over X11 and not just about the problems.

[tgheretford]

I have showstopping issues using Wayland when gaming to the point where its impossible to play games. If Xorg gets dropped by distributions before (or if) it gets fixed, people like myself will feel abandoned. Now I have the technical expertise to compile Xorg via the AUR but your average user on say, Mint or Ubuntu isn't going to know how to do that. The answer is not "just go back to Windows and cope". I would like to use Wayland but not in the current state for one of my key uses.

[notuxnobux]

Im still going to use X11. I have modified X11 to enable tearing fix by default, added a patch to fix multi monitor vrr and im working on hdr support right now. Applications such as chromium and mpv will likely automatically work and support hdr. Im also working on adding support in dxvk (proton) for it. I have also modified gtk/qt to support per monitor dpi. Chromium already supports this. I have also been working on making the x11 modesetting driver work with nvidia. It works but not everything works (just like with nvidia on wayland).
I have previously also added security so applications cant keylog/record applications without permission. This works without having to modify any applications.
I also write X11 code at work because we sell software that runs on X11 + linux on embedded hardware. We can use these features there.

[RogerCarry]

Wayland is usable in general computing but I would never use Wayland in a production environment. In my opinion, wayland still need at least a decade to reach the current x11.

[Eimantasks]

I am not an engineer so from my perspective - I don't give a damn which protocol is being used, how it is being called... All I care about - Are my programs working? can I do my job? If not then I have a problem. I am still on X11 because even simple things like mouse wheel sensitivity were absent. Mouse itself was lagging. Pushing it when it is not ready is a silly thing to do. Now, when Ubuntu 23.10 comes out, I will try it again, and if it works, then cool! I will use it, but if it is still lacking, I will keep using x11. Because ultimately, I just want to do my job. If my computer is not functional, lacking features, what use does it have? If wayland is pushed, while feature incomplete I might just go back to windows or Apple, but I hope open source devs won't push me to that point. Maybe Wayland is already usable, I haven't tried it for like 5 months.

[dandiaz]

Thanks for going thru this article w us man. I didnt understand all of it but I get the general gist of it now! Thank you! I hope Wayland gets adopted and improved on more!

[breadmoth]

I welcome wayland, the problem is again all the programs still written solely for xorg. xwayland is a good way to deal with this, but unless the developers for these apps begin to drop support for xorg at some point, this transition will feel like the 32-bit to 64-bit transition in my opinion, needlessly dragged out.