The Justification 2x2 DEBATE (Horn/Akin vs. Nesan/Boyce)

In this episode Trent and Jimmy Akin team up to debate two Protestants, Samuel Nesan and Dr. Stephen Boyce, on the doctrine of justification.

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Timestamps:
00:00:00 Introductions of Debaters
00:04:45 Affirmative Opening Statement (Nesan)
00:15:30 Negative Opening Statement (Akin)
00:25:00 Affirmative Rebuttal (Nesan)
00:29:00 Negative Rebuttal (Akin)
00:32:00 Affirmative Cross-Examination
00:48:00 Negative cross-examination
1:03:40 Q&A from Viewers
01:27:30 Affirmative Opening Statement (Boyce)
01:39:11 Negative Opening Statement (Trent)
01:49:45 Affirmative Rebuttal (Boyce)
01:55:00 Negative Rebuttal (Trent)
02:00:00 Affirmative Cross Examination
02:16:00 Negative Cross Examination
02:32:00 Q&A from Viewers

[daviddabrowski]

Stephen, “I can’t speak for all Protestants”, Trent “Nobody can” - Trent with the savagery haha

[MajorasTime]

The purgatory argument from Jimmy Akin always puts Protestants in an inescapable dilemma. I’m going to start using it lol.

[VoiceOfReason_]

The World Tag Team Aplogetics Champions!

[tgtengage]

Thanks for coming on, Trent! Really appreciate you.

[JeanRausis]

It didn't feel so much like a debate as two teachers patiently and sympathetically teaching two good students.

May God guide them to the true Church.

[nocturne]

I saw the announcement that Jimmy Akin and Trent Horn were doing a collab debate on twitter and thought, "I can't wait to see that!" If only you could do a 3x3 with Joe Heschmeyer and my apologetics fantasy draft would be complete!

[gg.crusading]

Two Catholic Chads teaming up? This is going to be epic my doods 😎

[TheTrustingGamer]

Jimmy and Trent complemented each other nicely in this debate. Both have different tactics but it works well together. The Protestants lost this debate when Jimmy brought up purgatory and when they couldn’t provide a SINGLE Church Father that said you couldn’t lose your salvation. Well done guys!

[anitra]

I was born and raised in the Protestant tradition but had never been baptized before rejecting the faith. It wasn’t until I cooperated with a call to be baptized in the Catholic Church that my faith and the understanding of my faith grew exponentially. Following my baptism I have experienced an insatiable appetite to learn more about my Catholic faith. I am far better formed now than ever I was as a non baptized Christian.
My son had the same experience with his baptism into a Protestant faith. He has experienced the same passion to discern the truth no matter where it leads him and is discerning now a call to orthodoxy. Baptism is such an incredible sacrament. It grieves me that some Christians would render it void of the immensity of grace in which it imparts.

[newglof]

Trent's been knocking the Protestants around lately

[alissarehmert]

This is an excellent example of just how huge the differences are between different Protestant denominations. I find it interesting that they paired an Anglican with a Baptist. There were many points the two seemed to strongly disagree with each other. Trent and Jimmy, on the other hand, were a well-oiled machine.

[calledtorome]

Always a treat when Trent drops a video🙏🏾

[ty]

Hey Trent, I am raised protestant, leaning Catholic because of you. Every time i watch a discussion regarding Justification, I notice that the Protestant side always dances around the issue of Faith + Works when it is so simple to understand what you guys are saying and where you are coming from. The fact that you and Jimmy had to clarify about 10 times that initial justification is a gift that nobody can merit, but you need to work to hold onto it is baffling to me. That is so easy to understand, and they cannot use scripture to refute it without taking things out of context. I wish you could've had the youtuber How To Be Christian in this debate to bring his props in so that these guys could understand what you were trying to say.

[Clubs]

Huh. A Horn/Akin tag-team? I can already hear the blood dripping.

[actsapologist]

The challenge to name a Father who taught eternal security was pretty rough. They knew they couldn't. They were left asserting the fathers didn't teach on the matter? Oof.

[angelamalek]

Finally a real debate! The moderator did his job and the debaters knew how to debate.

[FlexCathedrafromIG]

There's really no getting around Jimmy and Trent. They articulate historical Christian doctrine and what Christians have always believed for 2000 years in such a clear, intelligible and charitable manner

[cdeep]

Stephen admits that there has to be a bishop. And then he goes on to explain that any church outside the true Church is not a church. Ironic.

[sheasheagirl]

You guys really are lights for the faith! Like St. Catherine of Siena talks about. Thanks for going out there and doing these debates/talks.

[tonyl]

Y'all did great! Actually popped up on my feed yesterday. Surprised Trent didn't bring up Clement of Rome quote that we are justified by our works and not our words. Again, I think the reality of mortal sins of omission means that certain works are necessary to maintain salvation, as Trent notes in reference to a scholar commenting on Clement of Rome.