Hedonism, Taboos, Society, and Deprivation | Ben Shapiro | EP 418

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson speaks with best-selling author, commentator, rapper, and co-founder of The Daily Wire, Ben Shapiro. They discuss the postmodern twisting of religious conceptions, the proclivity for hedonism to propagate at the edges of shared ideals, the danger of a society which has no shared ideals, the necessity of deprivation, and the case for a transcendent narrative in regards to long-term societal benefits.

Ben Shapiro is the co-founder and Editor Emeritus of The Daily Wire and host of “The Ben Shapiro Show,” the largest conservative podcast in the nation. In addition, he also hosts “Debunked,” “The Search,” and “The Sunday Special.”

This episode was recorded on January 11th, 2024

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(0:00) 2024 Tour
(0:39) Coming up
(1:09) Intro
(2:55) The Enlightenment was wrong, prioritizing narrative values
(7:13) Conditional probability in AI, mapping frameworks of meaning
(11:20) The prioritization of the victim/victimizer dynamic as the cardinal story of mankind
(18:40) The unjust steward, there is utility in serving mammon properly
(22:22) Christianity is not in direct conflict with capitalism
(27:18) The explanatory narratives that rise with the demented state
(33:24) Hedonic drives are primordial short-term determinations
(37:18) Our proclivity to violate taboos, and what happens when we have none left
(39:19) We experience reward only in relation to an aim
(40:46) Surfeit, scarcity, novelty, and deprivation
(47:00) The commonalities of stories amalgamate into archetypes
(50:24) The storyteller matters as much as the story
(52:11) You cannot reduce the transcendent to the subjective
(58:11) The use of religion to manipulate, taking Gods name in vain
(1:02:12) Without reverence for tradition, we become slaves to the margins
(1:09:31) Hardship creates strong people, padding creates weak people
(1:13:21) We all start out helpless, but we are not all victims
(1:15:13) We have marginalized the role of the elderly in our society
(1:18:44) Voluntary responsibility equals meaning
(1:20:53) When to tolerate and reprimand a child
(1:25:50) We have a growing need for intergenerational dialogue
(1:27:40) Cultural crisis and political disillusionment
(1:29:51) People are longing for a return to first principles
(1:32:38) When we can’t agree on sexual identification, all commonality is gone
(1:35:11) Getting back to the campfire
(1:37:54) Ackman vs. Gay, The stability of the West
(1:41:46) The rebuilding process is not hopeless
(1:44:36) Your true legacy is your children

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[Milestonemonger]

Jordan Peterson interviewing the No. 1 selling rap artist in America.

[joitus]

“Well more is better, right? Wrong. The right amount is better. And having the right amount requires some level of deprivation.” WOW. So simple yet so profound.

[TheKnightOperator]

"Everyone will grow old, therefore the way we treat the elderly, is how we treat ourselves." - Jordan Peterson

[TheLastPirate]

Jordie B and Benshizzle’s new hit single “ Clean your room, you dolt”

[MiguelCorreiaDaCunha]

"The more responsabilities I have, the cooler my life is." I like that.

[pattichapman]

I was born in 1955 in a small town, about 6, 000 people. If I was out & did something wrong, not only was I disciplined, I knew my parents would hear about it & discipline me again!! It was encouragement now to act up in public or anywhere else!! It wasn’t a good idea, it was a GREAT idea!! You can tell by kids behavior that it’s needed now. Thank you for this discussion!!

[tyler]

Dr. Peterson was instrumental in my faith journey. I was lost, directionless, and without true meaning before I oriented myself to God. I offer up all my suffering and pain to Jesus Christ. God bless you all.

[DonPandon]

Can you imagine Dr. Peterson throws some rhymes just for the fun of it. What a time to be alive.

[sarahevans]

Dr Peterson, you probably don't read these posts but I can't thank you enough for pulling me out of the depths of hell so many times. Whenever I am struggling, I listen to you and regain my bearings. God bless you- see you in Durham NC!!

[bigfishes]

I managed to watch (and understand) Ben Shapiro with 1.5x speed. I feel like a hero

[chrishostetler]

"There's nothing more cowardly than attacking the dead because even more than the unborn they can't defend themselves" JP

[GinaMcKeown-xmhw]

I live in Belfast. And jordon petterson is my hero 🎉thank you.

[boristeka]

Listening to this conversation literally makes you gain brain cells

[Independent]

I swear I could watch these two talk all day

[johnvetter]

A seminar on the Gospels!!! YES PLEASE

[tahah.babikir]

Doctor Peterson, you're always an inspiration to me. May God bless your legacy.

[jlaughlin]

I thoroughly enjoy listening to both of these men and getting them together is incredible, even though I didn't understand a word of what they said.

[alejandrinahs]

Both intellectuals are impressively informative. As much as one can comment on what Ben Shapiro has to say, it cannot be argued he has a spectacular ability to listen.

[darrenpursuingtruth]

Thank you to Jordan and Ben for sharing this thoughtful conversation. Thank you both for being a voice of reason and decency in these troubled times.

[Joao-ujkm]

I'm a physics PhD student in South Brazil 🇧🇷. Some of my colleagues are in LLM's and I follow along, on a highly technical level whats going on with their evolution. Hearing JP speak about them is not only novel to me, but incredibly deep and logical. Which makes him a true genius to me. The guy is like as technical, deep and careful with his concepts, premises and logic as a pure mathematician or theoretical physicist are with their arguments. ❤