The Forge with Harrison Pitt | Ep. 4: The End Times? | Victor Davis Hanson

In this episode, Harrison is joined from across the Atlantic by Victor Davis Hanson, the distinguished American classicist and military historian. Breaking with the established in-person format, they meet virtually to discuss the collapse of Western self-confidence in a multipolar world, how mass immigration erodes the meaning of citizenship, and the fateful last words of all dying civilisations: 'It cannot happen here.' Would a victory for Donald Trump in November amount to an awakening from our complacent slumber? And could a second Trump presidency avert what might otherwise befall us: the end of everything?

**This episode was filmed before the attempted assassination of Donald Trump on 13 July, 2024.**

Produced by The European Conservative, The Forge is a monthly programme which aims to revive the art of Socratic dialogue and intellectual combat at a time when, across the legacy institutions of the Western world, vulgar sophistry and intolerant conformism appear to reign supreme. Presented by Harrison Pitt, a senior editor at The European Conservative, The Forge will be a place for thoroughgoing discussion and fearless debate with the world's finest thinkers on a range of subjects, from philosophy and current affairs to history and culture. As the name suggests, it should also enable us to build up our armoury and sharpen our weapons as we engage in a war for our civilisation.

0:00 Intro
0:15 Monologue
01:08 Decadence, Denial, Decline
05:14 The Wisdom of the Ancients: Fear of the Enemy Keeps the State in Good Order
09:48 Anti-White Racism Destroys Military Strength and Readiness
17:19 Has Nuclear Deterrence Made Wartime Annihilation Obsolete?
28:00 Replacement Migration: A Form of Unarmed Conquest?
38:34 Civic Nationalism vs. Human Nature
54:07 The Working Class Revolt Against Globalism
57:47 Trump 2025: Mass Deportations and Taking on the Deep State

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[sflasaint]

This admin has harmed our country so much.

[sakis]

Why on Earth does the US allow foreigners to buy large tracts of land ?

[DavidMccallister]

I don't care how long they've been here. If they came here illegally, GET OUT AND GET IN LINE! PERIOD!

[DerangedLeftWingers]

Pitt is very well mannered and educated...Victor is Brilliant

[greghudson]

Love Mr Pitt, no much emotion, just puts everything straight on the table. I am terrified about the future if KH wins the election 😮totally agree with everything he stated

[bobh]

VICTOR DAVIS HANSON is one of the greatest Conservative thinkers alive in the USA today.

[gerryconstant]

I learn something new every time I listen to Victor.

[extendprogram]

That kid is smart AF! And VERY cool of VDH to do the interview for a channel w only 7k subs! Solid guy!

[tonylittle]

I’m retired military and I was mentored by the WW2 veterans. The description of recruiting issues is on point and I’m indigenous. This gentleman is so on point that I recommend he get a security detail or he’ll be on a Rez. You two gentlemen need to do a separate podcast. My civics teacher in high school was General Pattons intelligence officer and was a front row witness to the Nuremberg trials. If Mr Zaharia was still alive he’d be your biggest supporter. Great job on discussing over a badly needed topic

[harrietbaker]

ONE DAY OF VOTING AND PAPER ONLY! EVERYONE KNOWS WHEN ELECTION DAY IS SO PLAN ACCORDINGLY TO GET TO THE POLES! NO EXCUSES!

[digitalwolf]

One thing that would change a lot is if they would adjust the Census to only count actual Citizens at least in regard to Congressional Seats/Electoral Votes.

[pritzopolis]

No word salad here… Very articulate and he seems quite conservative!

[authentic_existence]

Victor and Thomas Sowell are my favorite!!!

[Old_Patriot]

I grew up and attended elementary and high school in Arizona in the 1950s and '60s. In high school, World History and World Geography were ninth grade and tenth grade courses, U.S. History was an eleventh grade required course, and U.S. Government was a twelfth grade required course. The latter two courses were "Must Pass" to graduate. When I began my teaching career in Colorado these were the same required courses for graduating high school as in Arizona. However, in school year 1999-2000, I taught summer school courses of these same two required courses in Colorado to students who had not passed these courses and had to make them up in order to graduate high school. This was the last graduating class that had these requirements in Colorado. That was twenty-five years ago. I believe that was the beginning of the end of Colorado kids learning anything in public school that might be considered patriotic or historically meaningful for kids who would be citizens of America as they entered young adulthood.

[christopherthorgesen]

No son of mine, or daughter for that matter, will EVER serve in the armed forces to protect this corrupt regime.

[leskobrandon]

When Victor asked the question, why are all the people coming here? He posed, is it our free markets, our judiciary, etc? People do this all the time. But, they never bring up what i believe is the truth... that is, free sh1t. They came here for handouts. These aren't people that were working in their home countries. They don't have to work here, either. We have 15 million people that were unemployed or imprisoned in their own countries that are unemployed here! It's not like it's full of skilled people, either. They find that they can live like they were back home or better as far as shelter goes, plus they're being fed & paid along the way. They also know they'll get up to 3 or 4 years in a 5 star hotel plus 3 squares a day, plus food stamps, plus cash assistance plus unlimited opportunities to steal from others. Imagine all that!? And so much more!!!!

[mwfgnqv]

Patriotism starts from two sources: family and school.
Unless the school program starts to include and mandate proper education of history, especially American history, but not limited to it, we will not be able to raise patriotic children who will become patriotic adults.
I am an immigrant who immigrated legally together with my immediate family, who worked in this country for over 30 years and who is a real patriot of this great country.
My children went to college and have become successful professionals and are very grateful for the opportunity the U.S. provided to us.
All of us strongly support LEGAL immigration and strongly OPPOSE illegal ones.

[thomasphillips]

Job 1 if Trump wins should be a temporary halt on immigration. Next any non citizen single adult male without a work or student visa needs to go immediately. Then go from there to assimilate other migrants according to the law. Also eliminate any and all government subsidies for any non US citizens. The incentive to come here needs to be based on a real reason like seeking education or employment. Before you can repair water damage you must first shut off the flow and drain the flooding.

[fhugheveleigh]

What an excellent interview. So many facets which relate to the UK almost as much as USA. Thank goodness for two intelligent individuals who give us listeners much to ponder on.

[btruth]

Human history always shows our human dilemma of sin. Our only hope is in Christ & His Gospel.