MZTV 577: Another Writer Tries to Wreck Paul

To say that there is only one gospel in the Greek Scriptures (the "New Testament") is to erase important distinctions belonging only to Paul's message and to ultimately merge law into grace. I hate it when that happens.

[seaneagle]

Martin, love your Fire 🔥 brother, truth

[colinwrubleski]

Speaking of Sudbury, your friendly-neighbourhood Igor Vrableetch lived in nearby North Bay, Ontario for three consecutive summers and a year thereafter, occasionally substituting as a guest in the Sudbury Symphony during that last year. Anyway, MZ et al, in reference to the rock mentioned, may be amused to know that the infamous 1250-foot-high tower from the nickel-smeltering plant in Sudbury generated so much air pollution, and did so much damage to the vegetation in the area, that NASA on occasion had its lunar astronauts do training and simulations of the ostensible moon surface in the Sudbury area... However, I.V. has not been there since 1996, and apparently the region has been substantially revitalized in the past 24+ years. There still probably is plenty of rock there, however.^^

[GNGResurrected]

An helpful lesson indeed, and a lot to contemplate upon. God bless, and Cheers... 🍺🍺🍺

[kaysiedh]

There’s Harold again😂😂 love it Martin!!!

[chriscarnahan]

Thanks Martin for defending Paul’s evangel. This was the truth that pushed me to investigate more. This is where I begin, when I share what I believe.

[grahamrogers]

Alan is right. There is one gospel. It is Martin's logic that is faulty much as I love so much of his teaching.

[exclusivejones]

A LITTLE GRAMMAR LESSON FOR THE BODY OF CHRIST

“IN CHRIST" can be the locative case or the instrumental case.
In I COR 15:22-- and in EPH 1:10... the "IN CHRIST" or "IN HIM" is the instrumental case.
You can tell this way....
When a person or all people are in view, the case is INSTRUMENTAL.
When salvation is the main subject of the sentence the case is LOCATIVE.
Thus --
How does God save Fred?
He saves Fred IN CHRIST -- the instrumental case.
How does God save the entire human race?
He saves them IN CHRIST -- the instrumental case.
HOWEVER....
But -- When the emphasis of the sentence shifts --
Who does God save? (“Who” becomes the subject of the sentence)— Then the answer: He saves those in Christ -- the locative case.
If you force the case to be locative when it was meant to be instrumental, you not only destroy the meaning of the sentence, you also LIMIT God and the objects of His love. (Sinners).

EXAMINE I CORINTHIANS 15:22: (PART ONE)
"*For even as in Adam ALL die*...
(so here we see "IN Adam" in the instrumental case, not the locative case. The subject is *ALL*, the question is HOW DO THEY COME TO DIE?, the answer: the instrument of Adam. All are IN Adam as a matter of course, No one has to do anything special to be IN Adam. You don't have to believe in Adam to be "in" Adam, you don't have to obey Adam to be "in" Adam, you don't have to dress like Adam to be "in" Adam. The phrase "IN ADAM" is in the instrumental case in this verse. If IN ADAM were the locative case, it would exclude some humans, making those who die a special class. Some would be IN ADAM and some would not be IN ADAM. Therefore it is the instrumental case.)

EXAMINE I CORINTHIANS 15:22: (PART TWO)
"*So also in Christ shall ALL be made alive*"
(Again, here we see the INSTRUMENTAL CASE in the phrase "IN CHRIST"... not the locative case. The subject is *ALL*, the question is HOW DO THEY COME TO BE MADE ALIVE? the answer: the instrument of Christ. All are assumed to be IN CHRIST just as much as all are assumed to be IN ADAM. In this context, no one has to do anything special to be IN CHRIST. The subject is not HOW they came to be in Christ, the subject is that ALL WILL BE MADE ALIVE, thus the "in Christ” is the instrumental, not locative case.

You may find the locative case in other passages of scripture regarding "those in Christ"... but you cannot force the locative case here in I COR 15:22
Here it clearly says ALL DIE... and ALL WILL BE MADE ALIVE. The instrument of these great events are Adam, and Christ.

For those freewillers who cannot handle this verse as it stands... and must change IN CHRIST ALL shall live... to... ALL IN CHRIST shall
Then, you must give the same treatment to those who die, THEY ALL DIE IN THE INSTRUMENT OF ADAM. . You must say...
ALL IN ADAM WILL DIE
(Ahhh but that would expose your ruse. For all do die, the question is, HOW, the answer is, they are in Adam, like it or not. And all are in Christ, like it or not.

[scotthicko]

How can anyone deny two gospels when Peter said "Some things hard to apprehend" when referring to Paul's gospel? Circumcision is law and Paul spent most of his energy on seperating law from his message. I just don't get it.

[michaelThunder]

I just came back from psych ward, if you are suicidal I can tell you a place like that probably won’t help

[Richard-wbhk]

Will you talk about the Lake of Fire Monday?? You didnt really get to it on this teaching...unless I'm such a dumb blonde, I didnt get it...but I do like when you speak of the 2 gospels...that intrigues me and I always like to hear more about that..coming out of the charasmatic teaching, I find myself still unlearning all that crap..Thank you Martin.😊

[davidbmilton]

There are many gospels - but only one of them is the right one - Paul's

[blvkice]

After dealing with my mother and her Christian based beliefs I needed to hear this, I was trying to help her but I guess some can't be helped I felt bad should I feel bad for this and or her

[chrisjovan]

Poor Bass. You took him to the woodshed.

[lisadisme]

This is off topic but funny how the 3 heretics are all MIA this week.

[allencooper]

There are 2 Gospels but they are not concurrent.The Gospel to the Circumcision is future.Hebrews 8:6-13.

[salvationwithoutregret]

Anybody else want to join the horrible people's club?

[colinwrubleski]

To his credit, MZ does not spend, a la the infamous (and rather unlamented) drug-pusher Pablo Escobar, 2500 dollars a month on rubber bands to bind together the multitudinous and massive bricks of ill-gotten cash...^^