Shiyu Defense is HARDER now!? Let Me Explain - ZZZ (Zenless Zone Zero - Critical Node)

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It's time to talk about why players are struggling more with Shiyu Defense Critical Node 5 than on previous occasions. We'll do the math, talk about why it happened, the impact on players and what the ZZZ developer's could do to fix it. Let me know what your thoughts down in the comments down below!

Timestamps
0:00 Intro
0:20 What is Shiyu Defense?
0:45 Why is it Harder?
4:01 Impact on Players
5:30 What Should They Do?

[thefilliesarecoming]

Another thing about Shiyu 5: the paired mini-bosses are both 1 ranged unit and 1 melee unit which, paired with how difficult it is to flinch them, makes it much harder to group them together. I only managed to clear this node through what felt like shear luck after several attempts, where both bosses ended up trapped in a corner where I could burst them down.

[LMSYass]

and there is me who cant even clear stable nodes 💀

[HansG]

Great video!
You're one of the only CC's who have addressed the issue of HP inflation in Shiyu thank you for that.

[Kro-RissaVirus]

Genuinly this Shiyu 5 made me stop and question if I actually had trash builds and that’s why it felt like I was doing no damage…. But no they just made them insanely tanky for some reason lmao.

[MrSpartan]

As someone who DID stop at node 5 because I figured I wasn’t ready for the rest with the amount of trouble it caused me, this explains a lot.

[Verdgilion]

My times, same two teams.
SD Level 5: 4:58
SD Level 6: 3:35
In first half, on SD5 there is a wave with two robots, which were running away from my the whole time, lol.
So yeah, it was a bit harder for me, with better play I probably could do SD5 faster, but it's a bit rough. Anton FTW btw.

[bananajohnson]

I quite feel proud of myself. I didn't really notice until people pointed it out because I S-ranked them all on first try.

[Exaar]

The difficulty variation seems like it's going to hit different people at different times based purely on which teams you have developed. My two main teams are Ice (Ellen/Lycaon/Soukaku) and Physical (Caesar/Jane/Seth), so in any node where the two groups have ice and physical weakness, its no problem.

This node, in addition to having high HP and more waves, had electric weakness for the first half, and I don't have any sort of developed electric damage team. It seems like someone who did have one would have a much easier time with this wave, but may have a harder time with another wave that requires ice if they don't have an ice team, etc.

I like the waves which have more than one weakness (for example Ethereal enemies are usually Ice/Ether weakness) because it gives more of a chance for you to have an appropriate team. I guess this problem will lessen over time as we play and have longer to develop more teams- maybe a year from now I will also have a decently-set-up Electric and Fire team, and this will be less of a roadblock.

[Daikagu]

I'm so glad that the whales and dolphins intro and the ass jokes are back 🙏

[plvto]

hoyo LOVES making enemies that stall for a long period of time to give the illusion that you aren't doing enough damage.

[azier]

One aspect of the game's balancing I haven't seen explored is higher armor/defense over HP. Imagine how popular Rina would become if stacking for PEN became the go-to strat over just...do more damage. Might bring the ATK-based Agents into popularity amidst the Anomaly craze we've been having as well...and would give newer players a potential build to focus on for higher difficulty activities, since we have PEN as:

-A disc drive 2-piece bonus
-An entire Agent's core passive
-W-Engine bonuses
-Disc Drive primary and secondary stats

...baring that, maybe clearing a wave without taking too much damage/no damage could add some time back.

[samthecaribbean]

My BRO POWERHOUSE ANTON carried my through node5, didn't even notice difficulty spike

[Nephanor]

I'm glad it's not just me who felt 5 was way harder. And I always like Nicole's suck...or Ceasar's. And I'd like to see Burnice changing too.

[cawashka]

I was so confused as to why Shiyu 5 was so difficult because I easily beat 1-4 & 6-7 even on mobile 💀 First stage which made me pick up my controller

Great explanation, thx!

[ChristianPerez-kudz]

I like this channel man good splash of info and humor, dude seems down to earth this is my go to ZZZ channel keep it up homie. Hoping your burnice pulls go great 🤞🏽

[apricots]

I didn't think I was doing so bad on 5 until I saw the A rank pop up. I was even more confused when I continued to 6-7 right after (without retrying 5), and I didn't have to sweat too hard to clear those. Nice to know I wasn't alone on this.

[Almtome]

I think the reason for the weird balancing going on in this Shiyu season was a hopeful quick fix for the back to back Physical limited S-Rank Banners. Usually, The Shiyu season tries to spotlight the current limited S Rank with their element being present on every node, plus the nodes' extra effects highly favoring their gimmick. With physical weakness and a bonus requiring a shield to activate, it was perfect to showcase the many strengths of Caesar... Buuut, I think they underestimated how good Jane is, even when low-invested. Yes, during her season, she was insane due to all the bonuses favored towards her, but during this season, the only bonus she is getting without a Shield giving ally, is 20% Atk, and homegirl is still mopping the floor with the enemies, setting records. (In addition, due to her dodge centric playstyle, she really doesn't care about the 20% extra damage taken cause 20% of 0 dmg is 0 dmg.) So in an attempt to make it harder, they inflated the enemies Hp, in an attempt to make fights longer and not a cakewalk for Jane. And while yes, it worked to some extent, it had the unfortunate side effect of also dragging down the clear time of every other team where they might miss the S-Rank Requirement.

[WJGAMING]

Stage 5 was the hardest but after building piper it was easy

[abursha]

I've stopped doing them because I hate time trials.

[matty]

Also the new Shiyu is built for Caesar. The enemies deal 20% more damage to you(not sure if its 20%) and you deal more damage if you get a shield.

I need a shielder to clear this on all S as a f2p, so I built Seth and it worked and achieved all S, but its still difficult than the past Shiyu defenses.