The History Of Genetically Designed Dogs | Joe Rogan & Andrew Huberman

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Andrew Huberman, PhD, is a neuroscientist and tenured professor at Stanford University’s School of Medicine. Andrew is also the host of the Huberman Lab podcast, which aims to help viewers and listeners improve their health with science and science-based tools. New episodes air every Monday on YouTube and all podcast platforms.

Host: Joe Rogan
Producer: Jamie Vernon
Episode: 2195

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[zionistslayer]

As someone with a bloodhound can confirm his vision is questionable but the scent is mind boggling

[sarhays]

While I know Andrew Huberman is a dog lover, and likely did not intend his comments to be taken in a detrimental way, I want to jump in and give some quick clarity on the comments re: dog fighting.

Re: dog fighting. He is accurate in the dog having loyalty/drive to please (he may be calling that “love” here) toward handler. Inaccurate in the handler loving the dog.

Pitbulls are notorious for being selfless and tenacious when it comes to working for their human’s need. This is the trait that makes them excellent working dogs in many contexts because they do not stop until their assigned goal has been reached. They are brave, courageous, and loving to the point of sometimes sacrificing themselves for their humans. And this is the trait that is hijacked and manipulated when used to require the dog to fight its own kind or other animals.

To be specific, dogfighters are sending the dog to its death or to be cut and torn apart if not yet killed, and thereby hijacking the dog’s traits to be loyal and please the owner, for their own human selfish benefit (money and status), not for the dog’s benefit. That is the opposite of love. Not only that, but to condition a dog TO fight, because it’s not a natural state of being, they are sometimes genetically manipulated and inbred (common with dog fighting circles), and/or must be mistreated in ways I don’t want to write here, during its time NOT in “the ring”. Among the “lesser” abuses of these, their time is typically spent chained in close proximity to other dogs, to incite frustration, deprived of healthcare, often living in cages, boxes, or chains in total darkness, and only released from this to engage in a fight to the death with another dog. (Imagine a human living in these conditions; would we say the “owner” of this human loved it?) They are also conditioned by being forced to attack other dogs (hence the term “bait dogs”) lest they be beaten or killed themself. Dogs are smart; so they learn quickly this is how they survive. Remember, only one dog wins a match, and it is typically to the death of the other, meaning any “dog fighter” is raising their dog to incite rage and frustration in order either to win out (with significant injury) or kill another dog.

Bottom line: Each time a dog fighter sends their dog into a match, that they are making a conscious choice for their dog’s skin to be ripped, muscles torn, bones broken, and potentially killed.

If you ask anyone who has done the after work when a fighting ring or breeder is shut down, you will hear of the atrocities left behind to clean up.

I say this to bring a fact-based, realistic perspective to the culture of dog fighting and the “bond” between a handler and their dog, lest anyone interpret this as a reason not to see it for what it is.

I appreciate Huberman’s likely intention simply to bring historical context, and that he does not intend to paint dogfighting in a positive light. But after 15+ years of involvement with pitbull rescue, I am all too familiar with the game of dogfighters who would hear this and manipulate it to support their statements that “the dogs like to fight“ and “they love their dogs“ in the face of depraved abuse.

[harmonphillips]

I want to know what chart is he talking about?

[InternationalISS]

I am a k9 expert with more then 34 years experience I would love the opportunity to come on and discuss all aspects from police military pets training dietery needs supplements and much more I have worked in over 65 countries and have had the opportunity to meet the foremost experts and have compiled a wealth of knowledge over 30 years

Just to fact check some statements on this episode

Domesticated dogs (Canis lupus familiaris) share around 98.8% to 99.9% of their DNA with wolves (Canis lupus), depending on the breed and particular lineage. Dogs and wolves diverged genetically thousands of years ago, but they still retain a high degree of similarity.

[alihakimi]

I have a doberman and feel like his scent is not as good as his determination. He actually doesn’t seem great at finding things by scent but if he has a goal, it will be achieved.