Beware Of Establishing Your Theology On This...w/ @MikeWinger

Dr. Leighton Flowers, Director of Evangelism and Apologetics for Texas Baptists, is joined by Mike Winger to discuss what prevented Mike from becoming a Calvinist early on.

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[SpielbergMichael]

So glad God has raised up both of these Bible teachers. Praise Jesus! All glory to God!

[amadeusasimov]

Mike Winger with Leighton Flowers, love it!
Mike Winger is such a fantastic exegetical teacher of scripture and he has been a huge influence on my learning and growth as a Christian.

[coryanderson]

I remain opposed to an understanding that diminishes the grace and character of God, the author of love. The peace and assurance He gave me when I chose to repent is evidence enough to me. There were times in the past before my regeneration, where I chose not to repent. The moment I repented was the moment I was regenerated. That was the moment of peace I’ll never forget. I don’t glory in my choice, but rather give glory to God for giving us the choice.

I chose to comment on this video. I chose to watch the video, to listen to Mike’s experience. I chose to read some comments. I’m baffled by the Calvinist doctrines. Calvin himself was not someone I would encourage others to follow.

The Old Testament refers to free will offerings. Choices are an everyday thing to me. I chose Christ because all else was empty and vain. He didn’t force me. I found too, that all the other points of Calvinism are not edifying or helpful to me in my walk of faith.

[Makai]

I came fairly close to falling in to Calvinism. Or, "doctrines of grace" as it was presented. I'm grateful that I didn't fall head-long into it. The thing that honestly turned me away from it was the piety Mike and Leighton speak of. It was like these Calvinists had an air of superiority... yet they'd present it with (false?) humility. At the end of each day, I don't subscribe to Calvinism, Armenianism, or any "ism, " which are flawed ideas of man. I'm simply a sinner saved by the blood of Jesus. And Christ lives in me- that just makes me a Christian.

[philos_theos]

God bless you Dr. Flowers and Bro. Winger! Keep teaching the truth of Biblical soteriology.

[jobrown]

When I asked my boss about Calvinism and he was going through it, all I could say was "the God that I believe in is bigger than that". I never got a chance to explain what I meant by that statement, and I actually have difficulty putting it into words. I think basically what I mean is that God is a loving God and isn't going to allow any to perish without being given the opportunity to make a choice. I don't have to twist any scripture to know that Jesus died for everyone.

[nemamdala]

Two of my favorite Pastors. Thank you for striving to bring about sound doctrine.

[LILZRTY]

Mike spoke on reading Romans 9 in and of itself and how you could come away with Calvinist beliefs if you do that, which I agree is totally possible. The problem is, we should never read a chapter by itself. The original manuscripts did not have chapter numbers or verse numbers. Most “books” of the NT are letters, and should be read as such. You don’t take a letter from someone you know and just read a portion of it and put it down to continue a part of it the next day. You read it as a whole. When you read Romans 1-11, you see a lot more clearly that a Calvinistic interpretation is just plain wrong. You start to see the themes come through throughout the letter. This is crucial to see. Read the letters straight through, as it was meant to be written. Colossians 4:16 “After this letter has been read to you, see that it is also read in the church of the Laodiceans and that you in turn read the letter from Laodicea.”

[hSayCanYouSee]

I love hearing you guys talk through “what seems to indicate there are choices and decisions to be made concerning your salvation.” Thanks for the video. When Mike mentioned “regeneration before faith (or at the same time as faith), ” these words of Jesus crossed my mind: “When the Son of man comes, will he find faith on the earth?” If I understand Calvinists, they would say, “Of course! God already knows in whom faith will be found.” Why, then, did Jesus ask the question? All of which reminds me to “be careful if you think you stand, lest you fall.” Thanks again for the thought provocation.

[meanman]

Awesome! Two of my favorite apologist! Been wishing these two would talk and make some videos together.

[daddada]

Stay away from calvinism.
Stay away from fanaticism of men.
Follow Jesus, become a Christian.

[johndoe-lnoi]

It's great to see my two favorite internet Biblical teachers together on YouTube!

[batesestabrooks]

Leighton, Thank you for using the term "begging/begs the question" correctly. So few people do. 😀

[christianhalkides]

Was very close to becoming a Calvinist but when I heard it it Truly never set well with me at all.

Praise God for you brothers

[RightlyDividingDogLover]

Thank you, Dr. Flowers for the work and warnings you're putting out about the dangers of Calvinism. It is greatly appreciated.

It's so disappointing to see my Bible College Alumni falling into the trap of Calvinism but it's not entirely unexpected. At the school I graduated from, we were taught Classical/Standard Dispensationalism. This form of doctrine was shaped by the books of golden age professors from Dallas Theological Seminary one of which was Dr. John Walvoord. Both DTS President L.S. Chafer and his protégé, John Walvoord, were Presbyterian and Reformed in background. As taken from Dictionary of Premillennial Theology by Mal Couch, General Editor., "Walvoord defended the Augustinian, Calvinist interpretation of sin, Christ, redemption, and grace (though embracing, as did Chafer, unlimited Atonement). " Is it any surprise that the bridge to Calvinism within the IFCA and their schools is made easy to cross by a hybrid theology of consistently literal hermenutic-influenced Biblical studies combined with Calvinistic thought undergirding their Systematic Theologies? I went to Bible College for ministry preparation and to be inculcated in a better theological environment. It was only marginally better than my former Calvinsitic associations. If I had known then what I know now, I would have chosen another school.

This may not have been the best place for this entry to land but it seemed important enough to post here vs. seeking out a more appropriate Soteriology 101 video. I just had to get this off my chest.

[chriscasillas]

"...to be fair..." That's something I literally never heard from Calvinists when I used to engage with them on a fairly regular basis. Thank you.

[makeawaytogod]

What cracks me up about Calvinism is the idea that no one really understood the scriptures until Calvin came along.

[TheRedGhost]

This is the collab I’ve been waiting for

[mikejones]

Your point about bringing Glory to God--Calvinism diminishes God--it removes Glory from God. That's one reason I am not a calvinist

[cherylp]

Two of my favourite Bible scholars together - such a treat!!!