Biu jee - the ‘secret form of wing chun’ with @kungfuronin

Biu jee is the 3rd and last empty hand form of the wing chun system, and has sometimes been called the ‘secret form’ find out why, as I go through the whole form!

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[KB-novp]

My thoughts on Biu Jee is that the skills learned can excel beyond the normal learning curve of Chum Kui and Sil Lum Tao, sometimes developing a false sense of confidence. For someone that has put their time in learning and developing a strong foundation with the first two forms, Biu Jee can be the icing on the cake freeing you from the formal structure to recover the center line when ambushed. Just my two cents. I'm sure that there are much more valid and developed thoughts than mine on this amazing form.

[DxModel]

Secret form is exactly how you described it. Wing Chun is really like 80 %of the first form 15% of the second. My teacher always says the first form is always the most important that many people will always come back to form 1 even after 30 years of training.

[drunkenmonkey]

Variation on the "Emergency Concepts" idea. Biu Jee doesn't "leave the door" because it is the last thing you should be doing, not the first.

[bevancastle]

I have William Cheungs Bil Jee book. Very different
I learnt my WC theough the Wong Shun Leung branch. For myself all three forms need to be practiced at slow speed like Tai Chi in order to feel what and how they work. Then all at full speed using that skill. Respect thank you for sharing

[Introspectral]

I see Biu jee as more of a "gluing together" kind of form, taking the aspects of snt and ck and kind of gives the opportunity to apply the principles learned in those in a more "free form" context. If snt is building and refining the foundation, and ck is moving this structure, biu jee is adding "life" or flexibility to it, breaking away from the imposed (for educational purposes) structural limitations of the previous forms.. a "take this thing you built and swing it around a bit to see how it holds up" kind of thing.

[lelionnoir]

it's great to hear your voice. Looking forward to the Xingyi content. You have an excellent way of explaining things.

[sammyg]

Biu Jee; one of the key aspects is once you lose your mother-line, Biu Jee concepts allow you to regain your motherline and hence the center-line. Hope that helps...

[americanshortfistkungfu]

It’s not a secret, it teaches you how to fix mistakes you make. They hold it back because it would be like teaching a student how to use the eraser before the pencil.

[Activ]

It could be called the "secret" form or the form not to be shown to outsiders because originally it took many years to reach biu jee level & this could not be performed correctly without a very good understanding of siu nim tao & chum kiu beforehand because the 3rd form is useless unless you have properly mastered the previous ones. To perform biu jee one must have a full understanding of the system not only know the physical movements.🙏

[averageXIAOHONGSHUenjoyer]

i have a hunch that "door" in this case rather refers to the "gates" as in: the three basic angles from which an attack would occur in wing tsun: aka towards the opponents power hand side, towards the opponents jab side or towards the centerline. as in: heavens gate, deaths gate and life gate.

[AlanGudgeon-ut]

Hi ronin, once again I'm absorbed
Emergency hands, love your knowledge you seem to hit each situation, great vid😊

[alkinesis]

Thanks for this channel! Looking forward to everything you’re going to publish 😁

[donttalktome-imacat]

that was beautiful. Yep bui jee is viciously effective. the chow gar tong long uses it nicely too.

[AlanGudgeon-ut]

Hi ronin, great vid, like Emergency hands, like your situations, coverd
Like your knowledge 😊

[Geekman]

It's pretty well known that this form is not to be performed "outside closed doors". Blows my mind that people film themselves and upload it.

[nunyabizz]

Your Kung-fu looks pretty good. Why the Japanese word Ronin? Isn't there a term in Cantonese that would be more suitable for a Kung-fu guy?

[nellyfabulous]

My guess is you have to think back to a pre-industrial time where there were no police as we know of it today, no phones, no firearms, no cars for fast police responses, and only a small population could afford horses (the wealthy or the government). Also, China was one of the long standing civilizations who were living in densely populated cities and towns scattered throughout a massive area for several millennia during the time. Within this context, a good sized group of martially trained ruffians (e.g.: bandits, mercenaries, rebels, or even simple violent misfits, etc..) can easily overrun a local "policing" force in a good sized town, since the "police" wouldn't have any guns to stop them, as they do today. If you were a skilled martial arts teacher (who maybe had a professional military background) in this context and had the misfortune of teaching ill willed students who became criminals in the local region, the entire village, town, or city you lived in would probably slowly learn that you were the their teacher. So to prevent this, what would you have done if you were the teacher? Put yourself in this context, and you'll know exactly why Chinese Martial Arts teachers, so often only taught just enough for most students to defend themselves and no more (short range, non-chasing, empty hand and some dabbling in weapons), and usually kept the more offense based tactics away from most common civilians (or anyone with a character who easily quarrels or picks fights for any reason). Some teachers may have even only taught students who they thought would end up using the Martial Arts as a profession (e.g.: for actual government enforced policing groups, caravan escorting, VIP body guard, and military use, etc.). I think this is where you'll find your answer to why Biu Jee, certain weapons forms and weapons applications, and the like, were kept "secret" (but not really) within a historical context. I don't think it's particularly more "deadly" or anything, than the other forms / drills, IMHO. Personally, I think if you look at the nature of Biu Jee in comparison to the other empty hand Wing Chun forms, it just tends to look more long range in nature (reaching for, or chasing after something), as opposed to holding back and standing your ground (self-defense). Lastly, I think within a historical context, professional Martial Artists probably trained a lot of weapons and not just empty hand fighting in latter stages (a common misconception today is that Martial Arts equates to Empty Hand fighting). I mean, without guns, tanks, mobile phones and concrete roads, who wouldn't want a large mob, some horses, long pole arms, "state of the art" projectile weapons, and a blazing INFERNO cannon, for defense? Swords and short weapons were probably just for policing within towns and cities, IMHO. Personally, what I've found cool about Chinese Martial Arts in latter stages is that you can pick up ANYTHING and use it as a weapon or tool. Even your entire body and BARE hands! Just remember, if your BARE hands all the way down to your finger tips and toes and anything you touch aren't becoming weapons or landscaping tools by the time you are finished, do not be fooled! You are NO feudal era Martial Arts SIFU! lol. Just don't hurt your hands or body along the way. ;-)

[jasonroberts]

I have always been taught that SLT is the attacker comes to you. CK is to build a bridge and meet your attacker and then BG is about preempting or attacking your attackers guard/strike. There is a saying that you must sacrifice 3000 of your ment to take 10 000 of theirs. Its also about the lines that exist inside each form. CK uses mostly the tram lines whereas BG the footwork may use thebtram lines but the shoulder is striking doen the centre. Hard to explain in a comment though

The rrason its an 'emergency form' is because it doesnt conform to absorbing any energy but rather to take and strike to regain balance. Its an aggressive form and to be used outside would be forbidden 🤷‍♂️

Problem is there are so many different lineages at this point and a lot of politics within organisations. Who actually really knows 🤷‍♂️

[furiopiccinini]

Great video! Crazy story the one that talks about the deadly moves... every punch can be deadly! :D Thanks for sharing your thoughts

[kabal]

Nice. I never got the chance to learn the biu jee form or the full Mok jong sets, including doing the sets in the air. My sifu wanted students to master everything and biu jee last.