You can go to university to not be something | Jordan B Peterson

Universities can be a pleasure island and the price you pay for it, especially in the U.S. is debt. They can rob your future self while allowing you to pretend that you have an identity.

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[recklessafrican]

"they rob your future self, while allowing you to pretend like you have an identity"
JP spitting bars too hard

[PockASqueeno]

It’s awfully brave of JP to speak out against the very institution that employs him.

[ROMA--AETERNA]

When Jordan rips on Universities and relates it to the reality of work, it's a good day. 👌🏼

[mechailreydon]

Wow OMG it’s genuinely the first time I hear a higher up academic talk about this. In my first year I was astonished because I realised most of us were just there to have a kind of ‘teenage fantasy away from home’ fulfilled and the actual degree was just a sidebar to that🤦‍♂️

[cyzqbvk]

I wish I saw this before I went to university. I was immature and didn’t take responsibility for my position in education and life. I was too young mentally. I don’t remember being taught to think, I was just taught to repeat. So now I question whether I can do anything from scratch at all. I guess I need to teach myself how to think.

[Jugem]

I often wonder why I'm so disengaged from university. I came here for these exact things: to learn to write and speak. Fix myself. Yet I'm worse than I've ever been at these two, and I can't help but think it's largely my fault, but it's also true that there's nothing here to give me the push I need. It's become even more apparent with forced online classes. Is it right to want to go off on my own and do private study? 4 years in and I'm no closer to reaching the goals I set for myself than when I started. In fact, I would say I've lead myself astray in a way I never imagined I would, so I'm at a point where I can't focus on anything anymore and I wonder whether my niche goals are even worth pursuing. With focus I know it can be done, but I've lost all focus. And not because it's "pleasure island", far from it. In recent days I ask myself what it's like to have an opinion, what it's like to have a conversation, what it's like to work hard at what you believe in that you know you can become the best at.

[hovahyii]

Hi, Dr Jordan B Peterson. I am from Malaysia. Words cannot describe how you have impacted my life. I was once lost, resentful and feel that life is meaningless. I was diagnosed with depression and attempted suicide a few times. But your words have guided and encouraged me through the darkest moment of my life. I love how you always said to gaze through the abyss and you will see the light. Now I read your book, I started cleaning out my room and organising my life. It feels way better. I enrolled into the university at 25 years old and plan to get my degree. I will come back 4 years later if I make it. Thanks and God bless you.

[andromedav.]

Jordan, stop it! You’re making too much sense!

[R_A]

I do not regret going to university at all, but at the same time I romanticise my time there far too much, pleasure island is a good way to put it. The friends and experiences I had I wouldn't change for anything, but academically it hasn't been that influential in helping my career and I think we are encouraged to go to early, 18 is a young age to decide what you want to do for the rest of your life.

After my undergrad I went back to do a masters for a year and it was such a strange year for me because I was torn on wether to just spend the year partying it up and living care free, seeing as it was my last year in education, or to knuckle down and make the most of my time with my education. In the end I spent maybe 2 months living it up and the rest of the year on my coursework, with a sensible amount of 'pleasure island' antics.

It was only in my masters that I realised that universities are a business, and the excitement of student life is part of the advertising. When I finished my masters my tutor said 'thanks for the money mate' jokingly, but there was an element of truth to it. The masters like my undergrad degree hasn't really pushed me forward that much and I'm learning a lot more/better by myself. Still, even now though as I try to get into my chosen field I feel the urge to say fuck it and go study another masters degree, because the enticement of being a student and being in a sort of limbo where its okay to not have my shit together because 'im learning' and be around other people who share a similar mindset is very strong.

We are always told by people that university is the best time of your life, which equally creates a fair amount of pressure to 'do it right' and in hindsight it messes with me a bit because I think of what I should have done to really maximise my time there, socially and academically to fit this idea...but at the same time why the fuck would I want my life to peak at 18-21! The whole idea of uni really is a mess and its refreshing to see someone tackle the mainstream ideas surrounding it

[adityachaurasia]

Get well soon mann We Need you in this society

[vishvnaik]

Here’s some other reasons why this is so true. There’s a: parking fee, tuition fee, mandatory meal fee, mandatory recreational services fee, mandatory lab 🔬 fee, textbooks 📚 fee, mandatory dorm fee, mandatory computing softwares fee, mandatory homework portal fee, mandatory insurance fee which requires you to copay frequently, etc. 🟣⚫️🍀🌺🌸☘️⚫️🟣 They have started coming across as business models than education in my opinion.

[matthewadams]

This pandemic really shows how lost the universities are and how meaningless their proposition on life is. Empty, stripping children from their families, (as if the public school system hasn't done that already), whispering sweet lies into the ears of the blind, and leading them astray with visions of themselves they will never reach. Truely a sad tale but one that has gone on for too long, colleges are in every sense pleasure island to the immature and undeveloped. A moth to a flame.

[TNT]

I love how he's still reppin cowboy boots. Once an Alberta boy, always an Alberta boy.

[BitchItsJules]

Wow, I was being really hard on myself for not graduating from sixth form and going to university, and feeling like a literal failure all these years. Thanks Jordan; Now I see that I am far from a failure, and that in fact I may have been saved from the beast.

[hovahyii]

I did it! I got my First Class Honours! Thank you Dr. Jordan Peterson and everyone who supported me along the way. Your encouragement meant the world to me. To anyone struggling: keep pushing, there's always hope. Peace out! 🎓🙏 #Achieved #Grateful

[jbpfan]

As someone who got a degree in the humanities, I have to admit that what Peterson says is frighteningly true. Universities need a massive transformation in the way they deliver education, specifically within the Arts and Humanities department.

[Chimarkgames]

BA fine artist graduate. Reason I went to uni was because it was an easy way out to move out of my parents home. Of course I didn't say that at interview. After graduating I worked in so many different sectors, can't list them all as there are so many jobs and stuff. I don't see my degree as a waste because it actually allowed me to awake and develop critical thinking about my life. I don't think I would have that awakening if I didn't pay the full price. Of course if I knew what I know now, I'd probably be awaken before going to university but since I was stupid, that was the only way for me to learn how stupid people can be.Thank you loans.

[prime]

'they should teach you to be a monster'
Never heard that before but I can see now how it make sense when you're in a job with certain responsibility. Especially when you're dealing with senior officer where they always talk over you just so that they can win the argument.
The whole ideal practice of 'everyone has to speak out in a discussion' becomes useless with these people.
That's right, you have to be a 'monster',
Where you exute deadly power/competence in any situation and discussion with your action and talk.

[reserachmyaccount]

its been 8 months i dropped out from uni and now i have more control over my life then i used to.

[huntergatherer]

Those last few lines he says are exactly what I think every day. Too many people in my profession are all about making people feel better rather than driving competencey and empowering people to think and work for themselves.