Numerous Consecutive TCAS RA & Go Arounds at San Francisco!

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[VASAviation]

Every month I receive at least a couple emails of real pilots that encounter this situation. Some airlines allow pilots to set TCAS to TA ONLY at San Francisco only if the traffic is in sight and have been cleared for a visual approach. Having so many go arounds a week is really something to look at, don't you think?

[tommihommi]

watering down TCAS through this practice seems like it's something that will be mentioned in the list of causes for some future accident

[collectorguy]

"Normalization of deviance" will be one phrase in NTSB's report after two aircraft crunch into each other on approach to SFO.

[JFirnQ]

Disabling or ignoring TCAS sounds like a really bright idea, if you want to be in the next NTSB report that is...

[Skullair]

You know, I am more and more convinced that the Lufthansa plane refusing to land in visual separation conditions at night was right

[waldoinaz]

SFO ATC - Because everyone enjoys formation flying.

[StringyPete]

"TCAS RA"
"Well ok here's a bunch of instructions for you"
My brother in christ, have you not heard of Überlingen?

[evensoncurtis]

As an airline captain I fly into sfo at least a couple times per week…tcas ta/ra are a daily occurrence. They’re playing with fire. Just like we’ve been complaining about dca for YEARS, same with sfo. Think they’ll change anything?? Unlikely.

[thomasdalton]

The problem seems to be that SFO has designed its procedures on the assumption that pilots are inhibiting TCAS RAs and are solely maintaining visual separation, but not all pilots are doing that (presumably because their SOPs don't allow it). SFO's procedures simply don't work if you aren't inhibiting TCAS. They either need to convince everyone that it is safe to inhibit TCAS or they need to change their procedures.

[aaronwcary]

As an SFO based United 737 pilot, we can disable our TCAS RA in visual conditions for SFO only if pre-briefed by the Captain when it's determined a nuisance RA is a "risk". However, if you receive a TCAS RA, even with traffic in sight, you must follow the maneuver to maintain separation, leading to the go arounds in the video (following usually leads you to be unstable for landing).. many pilots don't disable "RA mode" because they feel it's unsafe, or they aren't aware we have that allowance in our manual. NorCal Approach likes to closely space traffic to increase arrival rates which is great for decreasing flow times into SFO.

[dylanisthename]

The fact that the skywest blew through final and crossed over the top of the other skywest and they just said, we're gonna let him figure it out was crazy to me. Should've immediately been sent around and made him try to do it right

[rnav]

Lot of operators, especially foreign carriers, do not allow the use "TA only" mode even in visual conditions, and it's due to various safety reasons. It's also one extra step to remember after let's say a go around, under a busy phase, to switch it back to TA+RA. It's not a checklist item to switch the TCAS between TA and TA+RA, it's something you need 99% of the time. The traffic configuration of SFO is just a disaster waiting to happen.

[lance]

TCAS is caused by the narrow runway separation of 28L & 28R. In 2001 local voters rejected a measure that would have built new runways to modern standards - this is the result, 20+ years later.

[DiogoOliveira-uj]

SFO strikes again. Top #1 of most famous videos on Vasaviation

[craigchadwick]

I work at SFO and today i witnessed a BA FLT 285 an A380 do a go around after the mains were on the ground. The aircraft was landing on 19 L. A very unique situation if you're familiar with the runways at SFO. Hope it is documented on this channel.

[garyxu]

That SKW4655 overshot the centerline of the parallel runway so badly😮

[TheGospelQuartetParadise]

My planespotting crew is at SFO 2 - 3 times a week and go-arounds are almost a part of the daily routines there. With the winds are marine layer, overcast I can understand why the pilots are not willing to take the chance that they can continue the approach after receiving a TA. For us spotters, parallel landings, or double-doubles as we call them look cool, but safety should prevail.

[L.Spencer]

I'm one of those who watches this channel but doesn't know much about aviation, so I usually learn from the comments. Having a hard time with this one.

[MeerkatADV]

There has got to be a better way to offset these parallel approaches to prevent this.

[andrewasciutto]

We all meet again for our weekly SFO TCAS RA vid!