Saagar Enjeti: Warren versus Yang. Who is right?

Saagar Enjeti discusses the policy debate between Elizabeth Warren and Andrew Yang on automation.

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[alispie]

Regardless of who's right about why the jobs are gone, automation ensures those jobs are not coming back.

[mialovely]

I love seeing Yang going after Warren. He should hit Warren more often.

[DadIsntMad]

I’m a physician and I already see radiologist starting to feel uneasy about pilot AI assisted scans. ECG, X rays, CT. You’re talking about result that comes as soon as you get the imaging done. That means you don’t need the radiologist who works 9-5 job... you only need to hire the radio tech and take the picture and you diagnose issues WHENEVER you order it.

It’s going to take over sooner than people think and when it happens it’ll hit Everyone hard.

Why is it that when we’re on the train track hearing the train coming with their lights flashing on our faces, we say I haven’t been hit by a train yet? Why can’t we be a step ahead and avoid the collision completely?

[tubularap]

Krystal made the most important argument in this discussion : "It's not only about manufacturing jobs".

[lashinout]

you speak like Yang will not do anything about trade policy. I think Yang will tackle both automation and trade policy

[ktay]

Fact checkers show that Yang's assessment was more factual than Warren.

[soapywatr]

Didn't AP did fact check and say yangs is right?

[tristen]

Wtf is “trade policy” going to do for workers who are going to lose their jobs to automation...

[TheDVZone]

Saagar, whoever is right is virtually irrelevant at this point. Whichever the cause, it got DT elected nonetheless. 19 years passed since 2000 but if you look at the rate of technology growth since then, it's very obvious that technology will obliterate more jobs over the next few years versus trade policy. This is coming from an engineer who works on this every day. Thumbs up for good reporting still.

[kkimberling]

Is the USA job loss due to bad trade policy or automation?

Yes.

[hlilee]

Totally agree with Krystal!!! Sagaar is WRONG!! We have a choice yes; BUT we can't afford to make that move bc everyone is financially tied to make that move.

[r]

Now convince me how a trade deal to bring anything back here won’t be built totally automated.

[ulyssesodonnell]

Please have Yang back on! Discuss this with him and get to the bottom of it.

[phanweb]

Warren: I need to see the data
Yang: I have the data

[havenht]

Give it 20 more years and you will see the affect of automation. Yang just prepare us for the future. As techs get more advance, UBI need to exist.

[zooopy]

Yang is right, Warren would destroy our country (Wealth-tax FAILED all over Europe and wealthy fleed). We need the Freedom Dividend. Former Trump voter here, Warren would re-elect Trump! #YANG2020

[maxharmonnn]

iirc yang never defended China or said that trade loss wasn’t an issue but automation right now is much more threatening and to say a chinese middle class benefitted at our expense is a little dense

[codeChris]

You do realize that argument that the job is being sent overseas is basically pointing out that whatever brings the cost down is the future. In some cases low wage workers over seas cause job loss. But more and more It is even cheaper for a robot/ai because you don't have to give machines a wage at all. The inevitability of AI and automation causing the 4th industrial revolution in the very near future say within decade or 2 is still very accurate.

[charleschng]

"We have a choice...including in regards to automation."

No, actually we don't. Techno-fatalism is real. This is not like choosing an analog clock over a digital one to decorate your bedroom. Saagar doesn't understand the nature of automation. His understanding of technology probably comes from comparing this year's and last year's iPhones. Technology is different from all the other sectors - it has the potential to be disruptive, widespread, and irreversible. Why is it irreversible? Because when other countries start producing at 10x or 100x the speed and efficiency of your factory workers, your production lines will become economically unviable. Individuals can make the choice between going to the local mall or using Amazon, but do you think it was the federal government's choices that led to Amazon sucking up all that brick-and-mortar business and fundamentally changing the retail industry? On a macro scale, once things are automated there is no going back because doing so has absolutely NO economic benefit regardless of what trade relations we have with other countries.

So instead of focusing on how to salvage the dwindling, outdated jobs currently being phased out by these industries and squandering our time trying to re-bottle spilled milk, we could be modernizing our production and our government, and focusing on helping people transition into a new economy.

[krschu]

The trade deal and automation happened at the same time.