254. Provoked with Scott Horton

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[jpii]

Scott Horton is always the most informed person in the room on geopolitical history. It's honestly not close.

[bdebz]

i love both of you guys and am glad to watch this conversation.

[ours]

TY Dr for having Scott on. The man always makes you think 👍

[Tyler_Kent]

I’m just starting the book and it’s taking a while as I’m reading all the footnotes and those lead to some rabbit trails. It’s outstanding so far.

In this podcast, Horton references a Putin speech in which Putin claims Russians see the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact as their Munich. I find that fascinating in that it’s so wholly nothing like that - from what I’ve studied. USSR made incredibly “good” use of their pact with Germany. I mean, speaking of “Provoked” - that’s what USSR did for two solid years to Germany.

They went to war against and defeated Finland, occupied the Baltic nations and Bessarabia and N Bukovina, and I’m sure more I can’t recall but that’s quite enough. Hitler was constantly made aware of further Soviet bellicosity against German interests and in violation of the M-R Pact.

If one allows oneself to see this from Hitler’s perspective (a big no-no I realize), it’s quite understandable why Hitler preemptively attacked USSR. There’s literally no comparison with Britain from Munich to Britain’s declaration of war. I mean, I get it: propaganda is propaganda and the Soviets had their “Great Patriotic War.” But stil ;)

Speaking of Munich and the how Britain and France pulled Poland in close, I see a lot of similarities bw Britain - Poland - Germany bf ww2 and US - Ukr - Russia the last decade. Britain backed Poland and encouraged Poland’s diplomatic hardline taken with Germany. It couldn’t have worked out worse for Poland. Literally one in five Poles died during wwii and those who didn’t had to live thru hell only to be behind the iron curtain.

[nfineon]

This was very insightful and informative! Subscribed.

[theazov]

I've been watching every interview Scott Horton gives about this book, because it'll be a while before I can actually buy it somewhere - I will NOT order ANYthing from Amazon.

[cryptoemcee]

Thanks, gentlemen. As an Austro-Libertarian like you, born in the Soviet Union, lived in Belarus and Russia and lived in Ukraine on 24th Feb 2024, I learned a lot. Suppose Scott wants to argue that the fact that Putin had been provoked by the US is THE ONLY ONE reason why Putin invaded Ukraine on a full-scale basis. In that case, he is probably wrong and doesn't consider some cultural factors of Russia as an ideocratic empire, which Saif understands better, so he doubts correctly, .

Huge thanks for the recommendation of two books, "Provoked" and Sean McMaken's book.

[greganastas]

Sad you stopped him, he was on a roll and it was good, I was lost in the story.

[romanuhlevatyi]

As a Ukrainian, I definitely need this book.

[parsiuskarma]

Hats off to you Scot. Frankly you should be in the white house. God bless.

[rickcea]

Great discussion! Thanks and Happy New Year!

[oksygin]

I would say the host needs to soften. I would easily listen to Scott without any interruptions.

[TJCHILLZONE]

Saifedean Ammous new to your channel and grateful we found you! Your brilliant and powerful content. Keep up the great work 👍

[John----Smith]

1:05:12
What about "Because the money printer needs to be fed"?

[VincentLinnane]

A very good book to read along with Scott’s book, is a book from the historian Mike King about Putin. Both very good books.

[davewarren]

Is Scott selling his book @ Barnes & Noble?

[reghand]

Great conversation, guys. Where can I get the book, apart from Amazon?

[NithusezniSezni]

Your conversation kept going after you said to stop recording.

[Tenebrousable]

The Nato deal in essence is just a mutual understanding that, "if you give us this, we give you this." So, how ever long after, when the deal is reneged on? Both parties take what ever table stakes they can back. Promise not to expand, to keep the peace? So, when expansion happens, the peace is broken. Fiat contract officiating this understanding, by congress or whoever else are comletly meaningless. The terms of the deal are true regardless.

[zirgreen]

Russia and the Ottoman Empire fought for 300 years. They tried to use the Armenians to gain to the access to the Mediterranean in today’s south of Turkey and west of Syria. And also try to take over Istanbul but the British stopped them. That was one of the reasons for the first Crimean war. It stopped for a while(the revolution and World War II ) but after World War II Stalin tried to take Istanbul over again that was the reason turkey joint NATO. Currently there is a law not warring nations can pass the straights . That’s why the Turkish government is building a canal in Istanbul it will be exempt from the 15th 1955 ruling. One backstory is the Ottoman or the Turks considered descendants of the Roman empire and Russia is saying the same. Some Moskau is the new Rome or the other say Istanbul is in the Rome .