ASP.NET Community Standup - August 16th, 2016 - Pages

ASP.NET Community Standup - August 16th, 2016 - Pages

[londospark]

Glad to finally catch my first one of these live. Love the openness

[londospark]

Talking about new laptops - I'm looking at the Dell XPS15 for a new laptop.

[Wouldntyouliketoknow]

I get the Pages concept. I agree that it is like webforms. With Pages though, if developers realise that they actually do care about seperation of concerns and testability, converting from a "Page" to MVC proper should be trivial - because its still all mostly the same code and features in play. The same was not true when converting from WebForms to Mvc for the same reasons. Pages also seems better thanks to DI, as you can inject the View Model into the Page, so you can still keep some levels of seperation of concerns in place - but no controller required. Perhaps no controller is required because the page only calls some other existing Web API somewhee for instance, so doesn't do any post backs. I could see myself maybe using Pages like this for certain niche scenarios but I'd draw the line as soon as lost the ability to unit test anything. There is a reason I came to MVC from WebForms in the first place, and it wasnt so I can go back to putting everything in one big un testable file again - but thats just my 2 cents :-)

[suhuy]

This laptop is very close to the requirements:
- i7 cpu (4 cores, 8 threads)
- 32gb ddr4
- 512GB PCI-E SSD
- 15.6" LCD (4K) + Corning Gorilla Glass
- 17 hrs Battery life
- 1.78 KG
- $1.700
(RAM and SSD can be replaced, they are not proprietary)

[StuartQuinn]

I do enjoy the chat, but if it was a choice between chatting and laptops and going in depth on the community links, I would choose Jon's part every time.

[spasmdesign]

I love when you talk shit in the beginning and what are hangout going away? I love Google hangout.

[noalgalex]

People who complain about the preamble are Banter Deniers and probably Java devs.

[spasmdesign]

All time low for you Jon! Sponsor telerik? What? They suck I hope you got a lot of money for it!

[Wouldntyouliketoknow]

I get the Pages concept. I agree that it is like webforms. With Pages though, if developers realise that they actually do care about seperation of concerns and testability, converting from a "Page" to MVC proper should be trivial - because its still all mostly the same code and features in play. The same was not true when converting from WebForms to Mvc for the same reasons. Pages also seems better thanks to DI, as you can inject the View Model into the Page, so you can still keep some levels of seperation of concerns in place - but no controller required. Perhaps no controller is required because the page only calls some other existing Web API somewhee for instance, so doesn't do any post backs. I could see myself maybe using Pages like this for certain niche scenarios but I'd draw the line as soon as lost the ability to unit test anything. There is a reason I came to MVC from WebForms in the first place, and it wasnt so I can go back to putting everything in one big un testable file again - but thats just my 2 cents :-)