ELON MUSK Just CONFIRMED Another Use for Tesla’s 4680 Batteries

Tesla CEO Elon Musk recently announced that the company's 4680 battery cells would not only be used for electric cars, but also for Tesla Energy's battery storage products. This news is great for Tesla as it shows that the mass production of the 4680 cells has been solved.

Tesla's 4680 cells could eventually reach 500 gigawatt-hours in long-term production, but Elon Musk is aiming even higher. He hopes to produce over 1,000 gigawatt-hours in the future. This is a huge step forward for Tesla and the automotive industry, and it will be interesting to see how long it takes the rest of the industry to catch up.

“We expect the new cell factory to produce at least 100 gigawatt-hours. And that’s really just to begin with. Long-term, Tesla is aiming to produce well over 1,000 gigawatt-hours, possibly 2,000 or 3,000. So this really is just the start. And that’s equivalent to 1.5 million additional Model 3/Y vehicles, and we’ll also be using 4680 for stationary storage as well. And to be clear, this is in addition to our suppliers,” Musk said.

This is good news because in order to make an announcement like this Tesla must have 4680 mass production solved. Let's face it, no one in the automotive industry has been able to catch up with Tesla since it opened its doors. The big question for me is: how long will it take the rest of the automotive industry to get to where Tesla is today?

The 4680 cells are an important step in the road to a greener and more sustainable future. With Tesla leading the way, the future of electric vehicles is looking brighter than ever.

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[danharold]

Some time ago it was mentioned that the 4680 would not be restricted to one chemistry. Chemistry would be chosen and even adjusted to favor density or long life etc. Do not recall where I saw it.

[Chainyanker]

Tesla/ Elon just announced a huge $3.5 billion expansion at GF Nevada to produce the Semi and 4680 batteries on a massive scale in initial 100 Gwh production phase. This added news on the 4680 going into Megapacks is really big news, this likely means lower cost for future Megapacks which currently are $2.5 million each. No doubt in my mind that another Megapack factory will be built in addition to the new one that is just now ramping up into full production in Lathrop, Calif. Utility scale storage is rocketing right now and Tesla is going for it.

[larsnystrom]

The implication of building 4680 batteries in Nevada too is that Tesla thinks it will solve the remaining problems with their energy density. At least until that factory is built.

The implication of using 4680 for stationary energy storage might be that they will utilize LFP chemistry in them.
The Megapacks and Powerwalls will then become cheaper.

Let's see if 4680 is good enough for Cybertruck first. We will have the answer the second half of 2023, I think.
The next challenge is perhaps if they are good enough for the Semitruck. Or if they continue with the 2170 there. But that might be less important than using them in the cars.

Aren't Tesla a little too quiet about the progress of the 4680.
Not that I want them to say anything about their plans. Just about what they can produce now,

[deanmcmanis]

Tesla had worked to develop the 4680 battery to avoid being controlled by Asian battery manufacturers who have long dominated the industry, from mining, refining, to production and distribution of batteries, especially LFP batteries. But the initial production of 4680 batteries was production limited and Tesla had to extend the use of their 2170 and 18650 batteries as well as using CATL LFP batteries on their entry models. But the longer term goal was always to produce their own 4680 batteries using silicon, high nickel content, dry electrode, and tabless technologies. Potentially Tesla will be able to build their 4680s at LFP prices, but they will having longer life and higher energy density than LFP counterparts. The problems are that Tesla is just now ramping up basic 4680 production, and they are not producing their 4680s with their final, superior chemistries yet. This is compounded by the fact that Chinese LFP and sodium battery technologies are advancing as well to be more competitive in the meantime. Both for automotive use, and storage duties. With the carrot of federal subsidies for domestically produced batteries, Tesla is expanding their GigaNevada plant to meet their growing demand. This is good news from Tesla, if a bit delayed from their earlier hopes and plans.

[rogerstarkey]

You're stating what those paying attention already knew.
1) 4680 is coming
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2) 4680 will (eventually) be the cheapest cell, supplied in the greatest quantity.

3) The cheapest cell will be used everywhere, including (obviously) in Energy Storage.
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You're not asking the right questions.
Will the 4680 production first be installed in the remaining "original factory" footprint?.
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If so, how much input will Panasonic have?
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What's the general state of collaboration between Tesla and Panasonic on the 4680 form factor?
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(Are they swapping ideas, tech and design upgrades for the benefit of both companies?)

[stadsimkerijhengeloe.o.]

Only LPF is a very good choice. Because of cost & economics. Simple elements and high cycle life...

[JamesBond-jbyi]

Thank you Armen.

Scaling battery 🔋 production, it was and it is a major challenge to overcome for all
auto companies.
Tesla Inc. is working extremely hard to make sure have enough batteries 🪫
for EV production but also for energy storage capacity.
Power walls, mega packs need a lot of batteries and the demand is growing
in that field.
In 2023, energy storage segment of Tesla Inc. will make around 6 billion $ profit,
which is equal to entire Tesla profit in 2021.
It is very difficult to believe, that 3, 5 billion dollars investment in Nevada will be paid off in just 2 years.

Elon has mentioned not once, that the energy segment of Tesla Inc., could be bigger
then EV segment of Tesla Inc.

If that would happen, I would like see Mr. Chanos and Mr. Johnson faces,
which constantly reminds us that : “ Tesla is a car 🚗 company “?

Never mind Robotaxi, AI Optimus Prime…..etc
Elon has surprised us😮 in the past, and I am sure he will surprise us into future, will he?

[mycents]

I don't think the domestic auto producers see the big picture. Getting to use Tesla's superchargers will solve one of their problems. Not being able to produce in volume or produce profitably is going to impair their ability. I don't think most people understand what Tesla has and will accomplish and how difficult it is. Wait till Tesla gets these Giga Presses producing.

[anastigmatix]

LFP in 4680 format?? Never been stated by Musk to date afaik. Show us the video, show us the text, we are waiting.

[tmcche]

Is Tesla struggling with the production of the 4680 battery or not? I hear so much fud and can't tell.

[rhiantaylor]

It will be interesting to see how long Tesla takes to expand their 4680 manufacture to include LFP .

[Crunch_dGH]

The best chemistry for static storage is LFP, due to “liking” being charged from 0-100% vs 10-80% of other types that are also not as heavy nor as susceptible to climate (with LFPs needing to scavenge proportionally more power for self-heating/cooling). The same applies to non-performance EVs that have the broadest applicability.

[rrrobinson]

SGE Magnetics technology will replace the battery.

[peters]

The 4680's are not 5x better at this point unfortunately, they are slightly worse than 2170 still. Sure, they have potential. Seems like you are using 2 yo information based on battery day projections which have not quite materialized just yet.

[StreakingTiger]

Wow - if Tesla will ever actually use the 4680 in ANYTHING, then I would accept that the 4680 is actually going to work. Just DO IT - then talk about it. Keeping on talking about the 4680 reminds me of all those salesmen that tried to sell me vaporware that did not actually exist.

[IQBooks-pub]

Outdated information? There’s a reason why Tesla hasn’t been using 4680 in trucks. Because it’s not as good a battery as promised. They are still working on better batteries

[ikwikwi]

Are we forge electric battery cells do not produce even a watt of electricity, they just store. Focus must be also on green energy production for the EV to make real practical sense over gas powered vehicles

[roufailsgames]

Elons new big announcement about 4680 use

[Chainyanker]

Tesla just announced a huge expansion of their GF Nevada factory to make Semis and the 4680 battery. 100 Gwh 4680 production initially is very big news, and if they will be used in future Megapacks that is even bigger news. I think this will mean much lower price for future Megapacks which currently are $2.5 million each. Utility scale storage is where there will be exponential growth which is just now starting. The new Megapack factory going into full production in Lathrop, California is timed just right for this growth along with massive 4680 production. Looks to me that Tesla is going to try to grab the utility scale storage business, add in their suite of software products such as Autobidder and you have a winning combination and a major disruptor in the energy business. Elon once said that the global energy business is bigger than the global auto business, big clue.