Tesla Model 3 batteries Degrade by this much after 200,000 Miles

Tesla Model 3 batteries Degrade by this much after 200,000 Miles
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[stephendaley]

2019 M3 LR w/ 200k miles owner here.

Just hit 200k miles this month.
Can confirm 12% degradation seems about right.

I had mine tested when it rolled over 100k miles and it had 9% degradation at that point.

The first year or so, I exclusively used supercharging, but only up to 80 or 90%. Now I mostly charge at home on a 220v outlet.

I've definitely gotten my money's worth.

[bohenriksson]

2019 M3 w 70 000 miles. Down about 7 %, and it hasn’t changed in two years.
I’m not worried 😅!

[paulrandolph]

We have a 2015 Nissan Leaf and the (old) lithium battery was at 92% in 2023 when we bought it.

[henvan]

I own a Tesla Model 3 Long Range. After 3 years of driving and 55, 000km I just completed the Tesla Battery health test. My battery health test reports 97% battery health.

[ftb]

Even at 200k that twice as long as i usually keep cars. 100k covers my cost. 200k would be a cherry on top.

[haint]

Had a 2008 Prius with 306, 000 miles on it. Big battery was fine, and that's with 2008 technology in the battery and the control module. Traded in for an EV in May.

[stefan]

Every second hand EV should be offered with an official, standardized report on battery degredation. Some dealerships already offer this, but most don't. It would benefit second hand sales IMO.

[GOLFandWRX]

When BEV manufacturers start warranting their products for 200k miles, then I'll believe they will last 200k miles - it would do wonders for the second hand car market. 😃

[davidrandall]

Good on Tesla. There are also more and more Chevy Bolts with 200, 000 miles+ on the batteries, with little degradation -- the very slow charging of Bolts might help.

[MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC]

The owners manual basically says do not leave it at 100% for an extended time and not to leave it below 20% for an extended time and always plug it in while it’s sitting if possible. With some batteries only charge to 80% for daily use. There are some cold weather tips that basically say the same thing. Everything else that people say you should and shouldn’t do is something they read on the internet.

[joelado]

My 2013 Nissan, Leaf has about 75 miles (121 km) range in mid-summer, about 50 miles (80 km) in seriously cold Wisconsin winter. I bought it used by one year and the range then was 175 miles (282 km), more in summer, less in winter. The drop off came about the 5th years after ownership (2018). I've lost two bars on my battery meter in the dash now, but it has stayed at the current range for about 5 years. The car is extremely useful, and I've had no mechanical problems other than having to replace the pneumatics on the back hatch, (a do it yourself thing), and the heating/AC fan is now making a noise. Other than that the Leaf still functions very well. Most of my travel is local so even the mid-winter 50 mile range is fine. However it did drop by 50% on its 5th year of ownership, outside the warranty. Since Teslas don't have this problem and have much longer ranges I'm suffering from Tesla envy. I'm sure stories like mine have reached the ears of non-EV enthusiasts and so that is the reason for the prevalent thinking that batteries won't last. But the technology has moved on and much improved.

[kiae-nirodiariesencore]

I bought a new Kia e-Niro in March 2019 which is now on 106, 000 km. I still haven't got around to fitting a home charger, I just use the granny cable. I typically plug in once a week and go from 30% to 80% and only charge to 100% about once every 6 weeks which the owners manual says is important to do. I have experienced no range loss at all but of course there is a 3.5 kWh 'buffer' on top of the 64 kWh available pack. There must be some degradation of the battery but that is not the same thing as range loss as experienced by the driver/owner. Eventually the buffer will be used up and I will see some loss of range but no sign of it yet. I rapid charge on long journeys of course but only go to 80% when I do that as it just isn't time efficient to go higher. The car is now 'old tech' with a max charging speed of 75 kW but I have never found that to be an inconvenience. The 450 km range of the car is more than I can drive before stopping to rest/eat/use bathroom. Great car, love it. 😊

[jdcarguy]

Age is a factor. It might also lose 1-2% per year regardless of usage. After 10 years and 120k miles it might be 16-18% loss. Not a big deal IMO because the gas savings pays for the new pack.

[apple]

2016 model s 90D 120k miles
my battery has about 14-15% battery degredation.
i still get over 200 miles on the highway going 75 mph, that's plenty for me. I also got the car at a crazy discount due to the high mileage! While its a bummer that they'll depreciate so fast due to the tech getting better and better and cheaper, it's awesome being able to buy a luxury car for 21k after government tax breaks, absolutely nutty.

[h-e-acc]

If you handle and manage Tesla batteries with extreme care and gentleness, I really think it can last 50 years tops, more than enough time to invest in new batteries, and by that time, vehicle battery costs would’ve come down significantly, and by then, chances are there would be an assortment of options in installing the kind of batteries you want (solid state, sodium ion, etc. which are going to last longer and store energy more effectively and efficiently).

[Aggielife]

Some people act like I E vehicles last forever without any major changes. Most cars are significantly rebuilt past 250k miles.

[kittana]

my 2019 m3 AWD LR US 72, 000 miles 11% degradation

[beautifulgirl]

The UK car industry has “downgraded its forecast for electric vehicle sales this year in the latest sign of pessimism in the industry over its ability to meet government targets for shifting away from fossil fuels”, reports the Guardian. It adds: “The number of battery EVs sold in the UK in July rose by 18.8% on the figure a year ago, according to data published on Monday by the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders. Meanwhile, in other UK news, the Daily Telegraph continues to publish articles attacking Ed Miliband’s net-zero policies by platforming the views of the fossil-fuel sector. Robert Habeck, Germany’s economic and climate minister, has “presented a paper with proposals to reform Germany’s electricity system via a central component, the so-called ‘capacity mechanism’, to be introduced by 2028”. The plan aims to see some of Germany’s power supply met with renewables, using “flexible” GAS POWER PLANTS as part of the "renewables" plan. GAS IS NOT A RENEWABLE, REOPEN THE NUCLEAR PLANTS, THEY ARE ZERO CARBON.

[nobrien]

My 2018 M3 was down about 8% after 35, 000 miles and 10% after 47, 000 miles. 'YDMV' (Your Degradation May Vary)

[kevinbecquet]

You could make the case that putting all those miles on that quickly would lessen the amount of degradation, it certainly would make the charging to 95% and 100% not an issue, because it is when the car sits at a high state of charge that causes increased degradation, if you drive it right away you are fine. However, if you only charged to 80% and put those 200, 000 miles on over 14 years all evidence points to the degradation being about 12% to 15% anyway. IMO an EV will last much longer than an ICE vehicle and have a much lower cost of ownership especially if you keep it for 14 years and put 200, 000 miles on it