h y p e r t u p l e t s.

Listen to Threshold:

"hypertuplets" are... really big tuplets.

[couragecoachsam]

When Shawn dies:
Death: Time to go
Shawn: was I a good drummer?
Death: I heard you could do enneadecatuplets

[Simoran]

Music theory involving rhythm is by far my favorite, which is funny coming from a guitar player. It's just awesome to deep-dive into all the weirdness.

[deadbzeus]

Threshold is one of those songs that sound completely new but also like it has always existed; I don't know how to describe it.

[deflop]

Assuming Sungazer goes deeper into hypertuplets, I wonder at what point it will become more practical to have the time signature be based on the tuplets, as opposed to having the tuplets nested inside a time signature.

[jackelliott]

So glad for the breakdown of this song! I’ve listened to Threshold countless times over the last few days trying to understand it. Fast and slow at the same time, it broke my brain. My best guess at the time was 5 5 and 7, but now it makes so much more sense! Lol I was so close…

[alicec]

I just think it's so cool how Threshold is at the same time, very slow and very fast, just such a cool idea.

[lordofthewest]

6:20 why does he wear his glasses like that lmao

[anpi]

The "humanity" you mention about the odd time subdivisions brings in the concept of microtiming. Both Adam and you have touched the topic of music cognition, which is an endless journey of discovery to understand why and how humans are making the choices we make in order to make music make sense and be more appealing! Great job on the video

[Lemon_Drums_USA]

When I took lessons with Chris Coleman he had and exercise called “Trash”. Where he would put the DR. Beat on a pattern, and purposely try to get lost and come back and hit the one. What this exercise did was train the brain to feel the whole block of time as one big blob of space that you could do anything in. Instead of the academic approach which was to feel every micro subdivision. He was also a self taught free thinking player

[markop.]

Breakin it down as 5 5 5 4 is what i was thinkin. I love the vibe of taking a more comprehensive tuplet like 5 or 3 and then choppin a beat off for a angled rhythm. Like making 11 like 3 3 3 2 or i often do 18 like 5 5 5 3, with the quintuplet groove but its like the last accent is also the first downbeat

[adamgreen]

If you want to practice the hand speed for the 19 tuplet at 33 bpm, you can play triplets at 209 bpm. They are they same speed (627 notes per minute). It's also almost exactly the same speed as 16th notes at 157 bpm (628 notes per minute).

[LastPrismAlex]

double upload just like that?

love you guys

[ynotw]

Shawn is the drummer's drummer of drummers who are drummers' drummers.

[philarevalo]

The first time I listened to this I thought I was crazy for thinking that my perception of the pulse was changing over time, but it totally makes sense! There actually are a lot of different ways for your brain to lock into it.

[michaelmcnabdrummer]

fun fact, footwork music's 16ths come in at 93.75 milliseconds each, OR LESS - just past the threshold apparently. cool video, feel like I know a little bit more now why 160bpm sounds so good haha

[saneksin]

At 9:28 you describe a way of feeling the pulse as 5/4 with last 16th note missing, which actually reminds me of one of the last sections in Dream Theater's "Home" at around 12:21 on studio recording. Mike Portnoy basically does the same thing, though it's not subdivided into 19-tuplets, but is like a 19/16 time signature, which is easier to count as a 5/4 with a missing beat. Great stuff!

[cultistsash]

The point Adam makes at the end of the video is very true, and I recommend Metal Music Theory's video on Car Bomb and perceptions of time from the point of view of the creator, performers, and audience.

[umblapag]

"It's all in 4/4, " they said...

[drumfynnfun]

Thank you for not only giving this experimental music, but also the explanation of how you feel the pulse depending on the context

[cablemanagement]

7:34

that was a ~crisp~ mini handclap