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For Professor Lester L. Grabbe:
BIOGRAPHY
Lester L. Grabbe is a retired American scholar and Emeritus Professor of Hebrew Bible and Early Judaism at the University of Hull, England.

As an historian of ancient Judaism, he has authored several standard treatments. He founded and convenes the European Seminar on Methodology in Israel’s History, and publishes the proceedings in the sub-series European Seminar in Historical Methodology. Before retirement, he established and taught for several years a module, Anti-Semitism and the Holocaust, and another module, Religious Sectarianism in History and the Modern World.

An alumnus of Claremont Graduate University, he was a student of William H. Brownlee and frequent guest on both Viking Radio and Radio Humberside to discuss such topics as: the Ten Commandments, the Jewish festivals, the 4th of July, and Nostradamus and the millennium. Grabbe delivered the 2008 Brownlee Memorial Lecture on the topic: Exit David and Solomon? The Current Debate on the History of Ancient Israel.

At age sixty-five, Grabbe was presented with a Festschrift, a memorial book, by editors Philip Davies and Diana Edelman, containing a collection of thirty essays by his colleagues and friends, offering "reflections on the practice and theory of history writing, on the current controversies and topics of major interest". The essays show Grabbe's influence on the field of biblical studies and history.

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Josephus, and most of the writers of antiquity, associated the Hyksos with the Jews. Quoting from Manetho's Aegyptiaca, Josephus states that when the Hyksos were expelled from Egypt, they founded Jerusalem (Contra Apion I.90). ] It is unclear if this is original to Manetho or Josephus's own addition, as Manetho does not mention "Jews" or "Hebrews" in his preserved account of the expulsion. Josephus's account of Manetho connects the expulsion of the Hyksos to another event two hundred years later, in which a group of lepers led by the priest Osarseph were expelled from Egypt to the abandoned Avaris. There they ally with the Hyksos and rule over Egypt for thirteen years before being driven out, during which time they oppress the Egyptians and destroy their temples. After the expulsion, Osarseph changes his name to Moses (Contra Apion I.227-250). Assmann argues that this second account is largely a mixture of the experiences of the later Amarna period with the Hyksos invasion, with Osarseph likely standing in for Akhenaten. The final mention of Osarseph, in which he changes his name to Moses, may be a later interpolation. The second account is sometimes held not to have been written by Manetho at all.

Over the years, especially in the early to mid 20th century, some scholars have suggested that seemingly authentic Egyptian elements in the Bible indicate the historical plausibility of the story of the Egyptian sojourn and exodus of the Israelites, including the story of Joseph, great grandson of Abraham. John Bright states that Egyptian and Biblical records both suggest that Semitic people maintained access to Egypt at all periods of Egypt's history, and he suggested that it is tempting to suppose that Joseph who, according to the Old Testament (Genesis 39:50), was in favour at the Egyptian court and held high administrative positions next to the ruler of the land, was associated to the Hyksos rule in Egypt during the Fifteenth Dynasty. Such a connection might have been facilitated by their shared Semitic ethnicity. He also wrote that there is no proof for these events. Howard Vos has suggested that the "coat of many colors" said to have been worn by Joseph could be similar to the colorful garments seen in the painting of foreigners in the tomb of Khnumhotep II.

Ronald B. Geobey notes a number of problems with identifying the narrative of Joseph with events either prior to or during the Hyksos' rule, such as the detail that the Egyptians abhorred Joseph's people ("shepherds"; Gen. 46:31) and numerous anachronisms.

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For Professor Lester L. Grabbe:
BIOGRAPHY
Lester L. Grabbe is a retired American scholar and Emeritus Professor of Hebrew Bible and Early Judaism at the University of Hull, England.

GnosticInformant
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Always wonderful to hear Dr. Lester L. Grabbe break down what's going on in early Israelite history/mythology.

MythVisionPodcast
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The early Ancient Egyptians were a far older and more advanced culture than the Israelites. As a matter of fact the Ancient Egyptians looked down on shepard people such as the Israelites as being dirty and unclean. The Israelites obtained almost all of their knowledge from the Ancient Egyptians, in the Biblical book of Psalms it says " Moses was learned in all the ways of the Egyptians, he was mighty in word and deed "

cushiterevenge
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Stop interrupting your guest so much. Let them have the floor. Ask the question and get out of the way.

cedricroney
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5:33 Hyksos worshiping Seth - sure - “El Shaddai” - translates as “Lord Seti” - this fits the Hebrew Hyksos hypothesis.

dgetzin
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I’m confused a bit about the speaker linking questions on the origin of the name Moses to how it’s interpreted in Greek. No, the name Mosheh in Hebrew is argued in the Hebrew Bible to come (via folk etymology) from a Hebrew verb form m’shitihu ‘I drew him (out of the water), ’ quoting Miriam. Many reputable scholars understand Moses’s entire posse — Moses, Aaron, Miriam, Pinchas, etc.— as having names of Egyptian origin. In fact, it’s hard to imagine otherwise for names Pinchas and Miriam “Beloved of Amun”); indeed, the name Moses contains one of the most popular building blocks of Egyptian names: mes-/mos- “child/son of”. No Greek issues are germane here.

petermsiegel
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What I loved about this interview was Professor Grabbe's humility, where so many less qualified people would pretend certainty.

DevastatorJr
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Definitely agree that the Hyksos could be used as an allegory by the later Hebrew scribes

samanthajennings
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I definitely think the Hebrews are loosely based on the Hyksos

yacuvitzraim
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(13 August 2024)
Exodus 14:2-10 has Pharaoh assembling his military forces, to chase down the departed Israelite slaves, to recapture them and bring them back to Egypt.

WHERE, in Egyptian annals, is such an event recalled?

An event witnessing the expulsion of thousands of Asiatics,
expelled from Egypt by Pharaoh,
then Pharaoh changing his mind
and pursuing after them, across the Sinai, engaging them in battle?

Exodus 14:9 KJV
"But the Egyptians pursued after them, all the horses and chariots of Pharaoh...and overtook them encamped by the sea, beside Pi-ha-hiroth, before Baal-zephon."

Find this event, of Pharaoh CHANGING HIS MIND AND CHASING AFTER EXPELLED ASIATICS HEADED FOR CANAAN,

AND WE HAVE A MATCH-UP OF THE BIBLE WITH EGYPTIAN ANNALS!

Such an event is recorded in Egyptian Annals, despite some scholars claiming Exodus never happened!

The Event, preserved in Egyptian annals?

The expulsion of the Hyksos from the northeastern Delta (The Bible places Goshen in this area).

Pharaoh Ahmose I expells the Hyksos. He allows them to leave with weapons for Canaan, with their families, in return for the surrender of Avaris, the HYksos stronghold, according to the Egyptian priest Manetho, cited by Flavius Josephus.

WHY did Pharaoh CHANGE HIS MIND and pursue after the departed Asiatics?

The Bible claims Pharaoh has come to his senses, and realizes his foolishness in allowing the departure of Israel from Egypt.

Pharaoh realizes this will constitute a loss of slave labor. So, Pharaoh seeks to re-enslave the departed Hebrews.

The Egyptian annals reveal a DIFFERENT REASON for Pharaoh chasing after Hyksos Asiatics of Avaris:

Pharaoh FEARS A RETURN OF THE HYKSOS at a future date, and their re-subjugating Egypt in the near future.

The solution for Ahmose I is to conquer all of Hyksos ruled Canaan and Syria, making them subject to Egyptian rule for 400 years, ca. 1550 BC to 1130 BC.

Ahmoses I succeeds in overtaking the Hyksos at a fort called Sharuhen near Gaza, and after a three year siege, is victorious.

Hyksos Canaan and Syria are now a part of an Egyptian Empire for the next 400 years.

For me, it is Ahmose I and his change of mind and pursuit of expelled Hyksos forces, which was recast in the Bible as Pharaoh chasing after Israel in the Sinai.

In other words, the un-named Pharaoh of the Israelite oppression in Egypt is non-other than Pharaoh Ahmose I of Thebes.

The Hyksos were recast as Israel in the Bible.

Different dates exist for the Hyksos expulsion: 1570 BC, 1550 BC and 1530 BC, based on Egyptian Chronologies called High, Middle, and Low.

My research suggests Ahmose I was also recast as Moses (Hebrew: Moshe) in the Bible.

See my "Academia edu. profile Walter R. Mattfeld" for details.

WalterRMattfeld
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Some people think there's no evidence for the Exodus as they are looking at the wrong strata, hundreds of years too late. They say the Exodus was not in the 18th dynasty New Kingdom, Late Bronze Age, but some time in the Middle Kingdom, Middle Bronze Age.

It's all a bit thin, and they don't say what happens if they move the Egyptian chronology forward by 300 years, what happens with the 300 year gap they created. But they claim the new Egyptian chronology aligns with the Biblical chronology perfectly.

{:o:O:}

ansfridaeyowulfsdottir
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Professor Donald B. Redford, a world renown Egyptologist, in 1992, identified the Bible's Exodus as a recasting of the Hyksos Expulsion of circa 1530 BC.

Redford (pp. 412-413, and p. 410):

"Despite the lateness and unreliability of the story in Exodus, no one can not deny that the tradition of Israel's coming out of Egypt was one of long standing...There is only one chain of historical events that can accommodate this late tradition, and that is the Hyksos descent and occupation of Egypt (see chapter 5). The memory of this major event in the history of the Levant survived not only in Egyptian sources. It would be strange indeed if the West Semitic speaking population of Palestine, whence the invaders had come in MB IIB, had not also preserved in their folk memory this great moment of (for them) glory. And it is in the Exodus account that we are confronted with the "Canaanite" version of this event...In sum, therefore, we may state that the memory of the Hyksos expulsion did indeed live on in the folklore of the Canaanite population of the southern Levant."

Redford suggests the Exodus account appearing in the Bible is of the Egyptian Saite Period in terms of its Egyptian geography being the best match:

"Whoever supplied the geographical information that now adorns the story had no information earlier than the Saite period (seventh to sixth centuries B.C.)... He felt constrained to supply them from the Egypt of his own day and, significantly perhaps, cited several places where Asiatic elements and especially Judaean mercenaries resided in the sixth and fifth centuries."

(cf. Donald B. Redford. 1992. Egypt, Canaan, and Israel in Ancient Times. Princeton University Press)

Redford suggests the Exodus account may have been penned in Post-Exilic times, circa 440 BC.

I, myself, have dated the penning of the Exodus to circa 562-560 BC based on 2 Kings 25:27 mention of the Babylonian monarch, Evil Merodach, who reigned circa 562-560 BC according to Cuneiform records.

Regards,

Walter R. Mattfeld (23 June 2023)

WalterRMattfeld
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Thank you. Really enjoy getting facts about the history. Also love your videos editing! You are very good at producing!

kariannecrysler
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Do we really think 🤔 the elderly and pregnant women and children walked for 32 miles on the floor of the red Sea? IN ONE NIGHT!!! 😆 🤣.

divinelyautistic
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The Hyksos and Hebrews were clan, but there may have been tribal differences between them. It was these Semites who oppressed the Egyptians and perhaps some of their Hebrew kin too. Their expulsion from Egypt was the Exodus.

petermessina
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Any analysis on the Carnarvon Tablet No.1? Is it reliable?

Logik
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People have all kind of restrictions on posts when they bend stories instead actually simply reading exactly what happened instead of letting their unwillingness to except reality make up history.

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"The least obscure and longest-lasting amphictyony was the Delphic Amphictyony or Great Amphictyonic League that was organized to support the greater temples of Apollo and Demeter. Its council had religious authority and the power to pronounce punishments against offenders (which could range from fines to expulsion), and to conduct sacred wars. The Amphictyonic League also set the rules of battle so as to protect sanctuaries and impose sentences on those who molested sanctuaries." The "Phocians" get kicked out of the league for breaking the rules of a Sacred war, then all of a sudden the Mediterranean is fill with these seafaring traders called the Phoenicians, who bring a unified linguistics system to all the new shores they encounter.

josephharry
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I think the question you should be asking about Hezekiah's seal is... Why would an ankh be on it when the ankh means king of Egypt? The holder of the ankh is king or pharoah. So is Hezekiah saying he's the king of Egypt too?

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Really love listening to Lester Grabbe.

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