Canon R7 & R10 pics & specs: People are MAD!

[CristuelCasto]

Definitely not mad, but I think they should have focused more on cheap full frame bodies...APS-C is probably far from dead in 2022 and it still has its uses. But I would definitely have preferred a new full frame camera.

[alanm.]

Pangolan photo tours in S. Africa has videos up on YouTube of their hands-on work with pre-production copies of the R7 and R10.
I only watched the R7 review, but she confirmed the buffer fills quickly when using the 30 fps electronic shutter. She said she was getting 30 to 40 RAW, around 50 Compressed RAW, or about 70 JPEGs at that fastest frame rate.
Also, RAW at 30 fps is reduced to 12 bit, while it's 14 bit elsewhere.
According to her the AF is very similar to R5/R6, with all the familiar setting and focus patterns, as well as fast eye tracking during the wildlife shoots she was doing. AF can shoot as low as -5 EV light (2 stops darker than any Canon DSLR).
She said nothing about it having Eye Control AF (like the R3). Unless that was disabled and hidden somehow because it was a pre-production camera, the R7 doesn't have Eye Control.
Not a full review (unable to shoot RAW because no s'ware supports the new camera yet).
"Some weather resistance", though not as much as R5/R6.
Confirmed price: 1500 euro... And probably around $1800 US (same as 7D Mark II in 2014?)
Do a search here on YT for "Pangolin R7" and you'll find the video. You can jump to the R10 review from there, if you wish.

[blekenbleu]

Just a guess; Canon did not invite you to Florida?
This convinced me to get a refurb M6II for half the price and all the resolution.
The 250mm EF-S zoom is sharper and dirt cheap used, and clone EF-M adapters cost peanuts.
As you pointed out, EF-M 15-45 beats the RF-S wide zoom.

[ZachAshcraft]

Honestly, the R5 and R6 are more camera than I could ever need. I'm personally excited to see some options like this out there. Hoping they're truly priced affordably

[MrDubicz]

I was considering on getting the R7, as a second body to my great R5. I had the first 7D, and also the 7Dmk2, which I loved. But I'm disappointed. I'm not looking for toys i was expecting for a mirrorless 7Dmk 3... Not for me

[jonny]

I hope, this releases encourage Sony to finally move on with their APS-C lineup.
The R10 (of I'm not mistaken) gives you all the specs or even better specs than the A6600 and the R7 is more than most of us hoped to see from the mysterious "a7000, a6900" or whatever.

[brandondesalles]

As someone who picked up the r7 I can say after a few days of extensive use I almost never use the EVF mainly cause I'm doing event shoots along with other things and the shutter speeds are very manageable but I honestly don't have any major issues with it so far

[d_dave]

Yeah, that's disappointing. They shouldn't have bothered with an APS-C line up at all if they weren't going to do the mirrorless 7D. That's the only reason I would have found it justified.

[matthieuzglurg]

I'm actually kinda happy that the R10 has a viewfinder

I don not think that the EVF is outdated though. Resolution is not the primary factor when it comes to EVF quality. If it's the same EVF as in the M50 and the RP, I'd say it's good enough, just a little low on the magnification.

My X-T2 has a 2.36M dots EVF as well (granted, with a much higher magnification) and I don't think that's much of a problem when I'm shooting. The fact that there is better EVFs on the market doesn't make this one unusable. Same thing with the rear screen being 1M dots, I have the exact same type of panel on my X-T2 and it's perfectly fine on screens this small

[ytr]

The R7 is most likely going to be the mirrorless version of the Nikon D500. It is the camera Nikon should have made, but didn’t. Several reviews have shown the R7 to be an excellent wildlife, portrait, and video vlogging camera. The R7 has some excellent low light and tracking abilities. So far, the R7 has shown to have good AF and seems to be quite reliable.

[strongnerd]

Just my opinion but I don’t think Canon is listening to their customers or the consumers of other brands. They really don’t seem to have a wow factor that Sony and Nikon have when they release a new camera. Again, just my opinion. I could be completely wrong but I think Canon needs some fresh blood in their leadership and innovation positions.

[PradyutBafna]

Would love a comparison of R7 with R6 for a casual wildlife photography enthusiast (if that’s even a thing!). Also, would love to understand the total cost of ownership with recommended canon and 3rd party lenses for each of these bodies. Curious about what body + lens combos makes best sense for someone who wants to use this as a primary camera (like for birthdays, family trips, weekend getaways, kids sports, kids portraits, fall photography, etc.) along with wildlife/sports oriented trip like birding, safaris, skiing, racing, etc. So hard to find this kind of a comparison online and I suspect this is the market Canon is targeting with the R7 and R6 (albeit for a more serious enthusiast).

[kimyoon]

I totally agree with you. R7 should be a professional camera which shares the same design as other full frame pro-grade cameras. The camera market is shifting to the high-end market in which mobile phones can’t fill. I think that Canon’s decision for R7 is absolutely wrong.

[wingsandthings.]

You mentioned the R7 being like a 90d type vs a 7D. But the 90D line has a top lcd, and has a pop up flash.

[rovleculina]

Well, if this is true it's a joke. As a wildlife photographer I was really looking forward to mirrorless version of 7D II, speed, great ergonomics, tough build with weather sealing and 1.6 crop factor for extra reach, would be a great addition to a full frame, especially for birds. I'd buy it instantly but this thing looks nothing like that. Ergonomics look just terrible, awfull.

[alansach]

The R7 is a great camera to pull out for wildlife and small birds when you need extra reach. Not ideal for a primary wildlife camera, but as a supplement to an R5 or R6 when you need the reach, or as a light weight hiking camera, I think this camera fits the bill. Buffer is the biggest disappointment, but it's something you can learn to live with. It's unlikely that Canon would put a CF Express card in here when they don't have that in the R6. Also, the 7d ii took CF cards, not CF Express. I don't think those cards even existed when it came out. With the larger file size on the R7 you definitely need to pay attention to the write speed on your card, and get the fastest you can. I think this camera would have been better with a 24 megapixel sensor. Though 32 enhances it's usefulness for small and distant wildlife, since you not only have the 1.6 crop, but the ability to crop as well. Canon does claim "all new" enhancements in the sensor. This camera is much more than something mom and dad pick up at Target to take pictures of the kids. I think it will find it's way onto the camera bags of a lot of serious photographers, not as a primary, but as a very capable back up.

[ladybug]

Maybe you should use the camera and see its performance rather than reading the specs and speculating. Many other reviewers of the R7 and R10 say the opposite of what you are speculating

[MrPhilbautista]

There are a lot of good and affordable EF-S and EF APS-C lenses that can be adapted to these cameras. Since they have the RF mount, all the available EF-RF mount adapters should be able to be used on them, and those adapters are great. Not only do they open up these new cameras to a plethora of great glass, the adapters themselves come in several types that offer versatility. Whether it be a straight up ability to connect EF to RF, or to provide a control ring that isn't available on older lenses, or to insert filters (CPL or VND) into the adapter instead of the front of the lens, or to provide a boost to speed and widen FOV, these adapters are great. And this is just the adapters available now. There's always the possibility that future adapters provide different functions like adding tilt-shift or macro or become straight up teleconverters. And while the Canon adapters may be somewhat pricey, there are also a lot of 3rd parties getting in on the action and, based on reviews, have been performing quite admirably at the job.

If you don't mind the front loaded weight that results from these combinations, adapting EF lenses may be the better option for budget minded RF-S users.

[eahughey]

Tony... Here's some things to consider why that R7 might not be as bad as we think...
Sensor readout might not be too bad considering it will be a smaller APS-C sensor vs FF. The 32Mpx sensor will have more information than the R6 sensor so for Wildlife Photography using RF L mount big zooms you will have an advantage. This is a mild R7 and the Mk2 version that will follow will have a better EVF and faster card slots but how long will that take. What would be nice is if they made it super easy to transfer files to your phone with a greatly improved App.

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Used EOS R are going to make a lot more sense for photography for 90 percent of people.