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[MattNicassio]

hmmmm... idk, not totally sold. He started by saying this was simple and intuitive. That was a long explanation for something that's supposed to be natural to use! It seems like a GriGri but with different tricks.. basically an update to the sinch.
Wild Country however just released the Revo, which is heavy but seems to be SUPER intuitive. It works in both directions. You pull and give slack like a tube, you lower like a tube. If they get the Revo 2 to be lighter than the original that will be the killer belay device!
Currently I love the Mega Jul for all around and GriGri 2 for Sport.

[RaymondMillbrae]

Looks awesome. Like any belay device, it takes a few moments to get the hang of it. But this Vergo looks bulletproof. Gotta get one when it comes out. Waiting on its release date.

[z]

The essential difference between the Vergo and its antededent the Cinch, and all other locking devices, is there is no spring to initiate the brake. The only spring is in the lowering lever to keep it folded when not engaged. The lack of brake spring means the Trango depends entirely on the position of the device relative to the carabiner, the direction of pull on the lead strand, and the device relative to gravity. I can hold my Cinch exactly the same manner, and free feed rope or have it lock securely, the only difference being held below, or lifting above, the harness/anchor carabiner. Held low, gravity tips the rotating parts together, and there is little initiating friction to start the braking; just lifting it up, the 'biner tips the one side so the rope friction alone will begin to rotate the other half of the device into the locking zone. The horizontal layout advised neutralizes the effect, and the rope will likely overcome the slight finger pressure needed to hold it open for free feeding in routine use - but there are more aggressive ways to hold it open such that the initiation may be compromised. The Cinch, once understood and mastered (with my technique entirely distinct from the official way), feeds rope more easily than any other device I've ever used, aside from an ordinary pulley!

[prusikmallorca]

I like very much the Cinch!!! I hope Vergo is even better.
Since I wore the cinch use the Smart from Mammut, and I love it. when Vergo goes on sale I buy to compare

[alexfletcher]

Personally hate using the gri gri for leading. The "overrides" can be straight up dangerous, so I'm glad to see a device geared toward removing them as much as possible. But the way it's held seems strange. When it's aligned vertically it would be fine, but as it's rotated flat at 1:33 it puts a twisting on that carabiner which in turn puts that twist into your harness' belay loop, no? I would be willing to try this product out before bashing it, but honestly what's wrong with the Mammut Smart? It's got no moving parts, is auto locking, intuitive, familiar for ATC users, lightweight, and half the price or less. Can someone explain what makes this better? Edit: and of course you still can't double rope rappel off of this device like an atc or even the Smart Alpine?

[jacobgaylord]

So maybe I just missed it, but during normal belaying can you not do the PBUS method? It looked like whenever he pulled or fed rope he let go of the brake, I’m not seeing how this is safer or more intuitive than a Grigri or a different assisted tube device like a Megajul

[ManitheMonkey]

Looks pretty GriGri like, but in the opposite direction. A bit tricky to get used to when you're coming from a GriGri background I would suppose..

[bumponlog]

The grigri is a pretty versatile device for what it is. I can belay, rap a single line, use in a self rescue scenario, even rope solo. Can all these new devices do that as easily? And are they lighter?

[cesarjorrin]

As a Spanish speaker, I'd feel embarrassed to get into a shop and ask for a "vergo"...

[grimpepartout]

What if you put the handle up ? Like a grigri ? Because that what I see at the crag

[mulvey]

Can I use an 8mm rope with this Virgo ascender?

[irtgud]

Can you even top rope with this? I can't seem to figure out how you'd use it that way...

[sci]

Love it more than the grigri, but it rusts so fast. The back of the main body where your finger rests has noticeable surface rust after only a few uses in the gym.
C'mon man.

[savagesurgeon]

Assisted belay devices are great, but having the rope upside down is taking things a little too far. This uncommon characteristic makes it hard to tell if it's being used right and there's a high chance of confusion with people calling it out to be "wrong" while correct, or vice-versa.

[MrHassancehef]

there was enough problem with the cinch, seilling the "same" device with a different name and color is pretty surprising