What the Heck Happened in 2023?

Darren Doane and Gary DeMar discuss the controversy that happened in 2023.

[micahlantz]

I'm so glad someone finally had this conversation for the public to hear! Glad it was you Darren!

[dnpweber]

Thank you Mr. Doane and Mr. DeMar, for this inside baseball look into this controversy. We were aware, out here in the hinterlands, of a falling out, which deeply hurt us, but had no mechanism for understanding what all was happening, only that we felt we were being told a trusted source was no longer to be trusted and we didn’t understand why. This conversation has been a clarifying blessing. Thank you so very much!

[thecanberean]

Bless you Gary. Hang in there. Stand your ground. I’ve listened to every episode of that Covenant Hermeneutics & Biblical Eschatology Podcast you did with Kim Burgess twice now and it all makes total sense to me. I’m 60 and I’ve been a Christian for 31 years now. I’ve gone through all the various ‘mill’ versions and tried to make Revelation work with no comfort until now. Kim’s (and yours) breakdown of all things eschatological just fits. Thank you. . . Although if I was honest I would’ve loved to hear an exegesis of 1 Corinthians 15 😁 Maybe some time in the future..? And why has the church missed this for 2, 000 years?

[royalpriest]

Thank you Lord for Gary DeMar and 2023. It forced me to answer those questions. It forced me to put the Word of God before man-made creeds/traditions. Once again, thank you brother Gary for having the courage to have this conversation.

[jamessanborn]

Prayers, Gary, the Lord keeps you cancer free. 🙏

[EMTTT]

The one thing that I thought of when the talking statue was mentioned is that the woman mentioned must have never heard of Disneyland and the rest of the kingdom of Walt. As a child I remember people talking about how they could not figure out hire certain historical figures were able to talk to them.
Gary, thank you for your ministry. You have been in my prayers daily since this man-made controversy has started; as have my other fellow brothers that have been harassing you. One day we will all be seated at the table worshipping our Savior

[promisesrkept]

Gary,
Please come to the Eschatology Conference in August!
I signed up because you were on the schedule.
I heard you canceled because of your health.
You look great in this video!

Please, please, please if there’s any way you can get back on the schedule please do that!

[davejcampbe]

This is a vital conversation. Thanks, Darren, for jumping into the fray, and Gary for sharing where your questions are. I am sure there are many like myself (who have been taught our preterist sensibilities by Wilson, Gentry, Durbin, et. al. ) who have the same questions.

[JR-rsqs]

We do need a council on eschatology but Wilson, Gentry, and others are more interested in acting like the RCC and saving face because their many contradictions will come to light.

[JesusChristisYourLordandGod]

This was great and much needed. Thanks to you both!

[EmDubbs]

This is a great partial, full, and preterist discussion that shows the nitty gritty differences between Post-Mils and A-Mils even under their own silo/umbrella (and others who are-but-aren't depending on the eschatological specifics). The "game of theology" comments around 58:20:00.... so, so true. Love Darren and Gary's online conversations.

[PostPosties]

Love Doane's transparency at 00:34:00 and following. He's trying to be a good boy and just trust what the community around him is telling him to believe, even though it feels so contorted (my words). For those of us that came to an Amill position in seminary, it was a lot easier, since we were presented with a whole bunch of positions and were allowed to just settle in with the one that made the most sense from the text.

This is why I hate when churches or denominations not only take fixed stances on eschatology, but demand that their people adopt the same stance. I attended Columbia Bible College in a day when the graduating students basically had to take a pre-mill position in order to graduate. All of these groups simply need to back off. The texts are hard and it's not cool to demand conformity when the texts are inherently opaque.

[chrisphillips]

Good move not going to Moscow. Remember Servetus. Obviously, I am kidding. Blessed so much by Pastor Wilson and his ministries downstream. I'm not certain why they're struggling where Gary is on this. Gary, I'm so encouraged by your honest exegesis. How can we feel like we've got these matters completely wrapped up.

[ChrisBurton-mfgk]

You have perfectly illustrated for me why Protestantism and Sola Scriptura are a dead end road.

[JR-rsqs]

Paul is quite clear in 1 Cor 15 that what is sown is not the same as what is raised. Flesh cannot inheret the kingdom of God. Corruption must put on Incorruption.

[trfatman]

Thank you for putting this out. I would love to read Gary's full response. Is there a link somewhere?

[davejcampbe]

1:26:25 Spot on. Nobody is helped by labeling someone with questions a heretic, and then refusing to engage.

[haroldwalma]

Physics teach us that time is an essential part of the physical realm. Our soul/spirit is immaterial, not part of the physical realm. I think when we die our souls pass through time to the resurrection and final judgement. Sometimes we just need the humility to say I am not sure.

[David-kdrw]

The big problem I have is the apparent low view of the confessions and thus a low view of Church authority. We shouldn’t casually or flippantly make public comments that undermine Church authority.

[tommorris]

It is really interesting that James Jordan teaches in his 204 lectures on Revelation that Revelation 20:7-10 is the only the section of Revelation that prophesies solely about the second coming. Jordan teaches other Scripture like Matthew 24:36-51 have a double-meaning of applying to AD 70 and the second coming. Maybe Gary could learn from and build on this if he agrees.