Interview with Jane Gleeson-White: Capitalism, our Values and our Need for new Aquarian Paradigms

Jane Gleeson-White, Ph.D. is a writer and astrologer,
She holds degrees in literature and economics and a Ph.D. in creative writing and literature. She is the author of 4 books including the international best sellers:
Double Entry: How the Merchants of Venice Created Modern Finance
Six Capitals: Capitalism, Climate Change and Accounting

She lives in the Gadigal country of the Eora Nation (of the Aborigines in Australia) and teaches as an adjunct lecturer in English literature and creative writing at the University of New South Wales.

[Rosewhisperer]

Enjoyed listening to you both Heather and Jane, combining your separate fields of work and passion for rewriting the system. I too found Vicki Noble 3 decades ago who inspired me in my 'change' years with her wisdom even though we are the same age!

[cherylturner]

This was a great and much needed conversation. I fell into accounting and have felt that this has been missing! Thanks!

[kristinstahl-johnson]

Thank you so much for not only validating so much of what I have long intuitively embodied about the nature of our out-of-control economic model but for bringing it into a larger context and giving me more "fuel", so to speak, for my conservation policy work. I was taken aback the first time I heard a student tell me that she had learned that economics was all about scarcity because I couldn't conceive of the Divine creating scarcity in our world. That definition of economics clearly comes from the '50s and '60s, Cold War ERA mentality, like so many approaches to "natural resource management" - as if we can manage Nature. I want to point out that the word "economy" originates from the Greek root for how you manage your home. I will definitely look for this book.

[cynthiadavis]

Absolutely wonderful interview. I am sooo encouraged and inspired by this conversation. I am 81 yes old, a retired English prof, with a passion for story. I have become a hypnotherapist who guides the retrieval of personal, individual stories for release of trauma. And release of thought habits associated with trauma. I have always been fascinated that the words used by traditional economics are the words of psychology, e.g., depression, inflation, . Jane's ideas answer in detail what my mind has left in general questions!! Wow!!
Thank you, you next generation women!!
I remember my strong resistance to teaching writing as "goal and audience." How can you set a goal for your soul?" I asked!!! Yet I taught it and it can be very effective. But is effectiveness all we want? How about curiosity? Mystery? Imagination?
. There is so much wisdom in this interview that I cannot single out a other words, I cannot pick a "take-away" lol!! Is this inability an example of defeating bad competition, scarcity, double line accounting???? No takeaway. I have to listen several more times to learn this language which is falling on very fertile ground, to absorb all of this. ❤

[soul.kim.artist]

Thank you Heather & Jane for an insightful conversation you have shed light and such insight on the economic value and money trauma. So enlightening. Thank you

[dorothealehning]

Stunning content! It made so much fall into place for me. Thank you so much!

[djhawley]

As a forty plus year accountant who has worked for one of the giant corporations, I found this incredibly insightful. Jane put into words things that have been niggling at the edges of awareness and now want to be shared far and wide. I’m still in that world and I’m excited to start shining light into some of its cracks. Thank you both!

[rxbracho]

The video stayed with me. I loved Jane's depiction of how human to human transactions—and their stories!—were transformed in "objective" numerical tasks using the language of mathematics.

Thanks again.

[ellenanneshapiro]

Thank you...this is so enlightening and explains my deep disquietude as an accountant (now retired) inside the corporate world. I will never forget hearing an "outside, independent" CPA saying, in a financial meeting, "Tell us what number you need and we'll get you there". Many brilliant points and fundamentals explained here. Money/business/psychology is my area of fascination, so hearing you apply DSM IV definition of psychopathy applied to corporations: wow! and the relationship to trauma/safety/survival.

[easyartisan]

We had a business ( company ) making dairy free artisan cheeses. It was growing and well loved here in NZ but we were mandated during covid and we ended up closing down. We are now looking at setting up again and upscaling and B Lab looks great for us and we will definitely be looking into it more. Thanks for a great conversation.

[bertanelson]

Delighted to see you addressing this issue so often ignored when discussing spiritual topics. We often wish to pass off problems to "psychopathic" leadership without looking at how the values we take for granted shape us all. Learning to "break the habit of being yourself" is, as Jane says, the most difficult intervention of all. We are spiritual beings having a material experience. Going as far away from our connection to wholeness is our journey. We are never really lost. Everything "conspires" to bring us back to oneness while retaining our invaluable uniqueness. Each unique experience leading to greater wisdom enriches the greater reality.

[indigohart]

Thank you Jane and Heather for a truely inspiring and thought provoking interview. Economics is very rarely discussed in spiritual circles apart from money being the root of evil. This interview brings wisdom, knowledge and a feminine perspective on e-commerce. As an Australian, so lovely to hear another Australian being interviewed and acknowledge. 🙏✨

[MaryEllenBlack-ln]

Abstracting accounting from place certainly speaks to humanity leading from our minds, exploiting and becoming further adrift from community. Collective revaluing of our interconnection with Earth's living systems is key now. Time to lead from our hearts.

[rxbracho]

What an insightful video! Thank you so much. 🙏

[samanejabari-yh]

Fascinating conversation😃👌🏻
Thank you so much 🙏🏻💜🪷

[MichaelMartinussen]

As usual a VERY INTEGRATIVE interview and approach to understanding how to function and to be in existence here in this left brain realm :) Thank you :)

[francinehorner]

It reminds me of the mincer in Pink Floyd’s The Wall except it’s every living moment and every living thing that is being pushed through the mincer to produce cash
Mind numbingly horrific!! And our value system is mentally hijacked into the idea that only material value is worth pursuing, constantly viewing the material world like the mincer!!!
Chopping ourselves up to give up one thing in favour of another Sometimes food, sleep, well being for cold acceptance of the need to acquire cash!!!
Thank you ladies for translating this so beautifully It’s a great confirmation for many people that the odds are so unevenly stacked that they can now afford themselves some deep compassion and feel strengthened and renewed to walk further in a more solid truth 🙏🏻xx

[alicehousby]

Love this wholistic conversation and perspective... If we truely embody our sacred feminine, healing trauma - collectively we WILL change the world - standing in truth brings such clarity and direction. Thank you both xx

[grantgeekdiva]

This is so amazing and inspirational! I love how Jane talked about getting into astrology in 1992. That was about the time I got into astrology and tarot reading shortly after graduating from the Harvard school of Public health and being trained in health policy, epidemiology and related fields. Since that time I’ve spent my life mostly raising money for nonprofits and doing a lot of nonprofit development work, and accounting and doing a lot of work as an indigenous person in promoting native spirituality and worldview while also trying to make change in the concrete world around . I’ve always struggled with integrating the more metaphysical things I did with the more practical and I just love the topic here! It’s so timely and so important. It has motivated me to start focusing more on the concept of “ institutional privilege” that I talk about a lot and probably drive some of my friends and colleagues crazy going on and on about it. Thank you Heather for continuing to have these amazing conversations. It’s so important to get these concepts out to the world. You have so motivated me today!! ❤❤🙏🏽🙏🏽

[ccgg]

I am lost for words. I shall have to listen again. Blessings to you both, Heather and Jane. Blown my mind!