Titanforge Podcast 63 - The New Direction of Shadowlands Mythic Plus

This week we're covering a series of changes that, when viewed together, represent a shift in how Mythic Plus will function in Shadowlands compared to Legion and BFA. We also spend a little time talking about the upcoming Keystone Masters tournament (it's on the 19th and 20th), with its unique format - this will be discussed more in a future episode!

[brandon]

Titanforge podcast comes through again with something for me to listen to during the last day of my work week!

[reyhster]

The intro song is so fitting for this podcast. And always gets me in the mood.

You get the good discussions, whimsical nature and all the super professional stuff. I love it. Keep it up. 😁👍

[TheAltSoul]

7:38 "People just complain about everything" God thats ironic coming from Tet

[zakaryquintyne]

Is Tettles able to see the good in anything? Sometimes it pays to be charitable, or to try and see the benefit of taking the rough with the smooth

[Orlwick]

One of the best example of class utility done right is the disease from Junkyard (Gunker section). You can gain a lot of time by having your melee DPS dispelled fighting the big slime mobs, and by dispelling robots against gunker (and occasionally stuns), but all those mechanics have alternative solution that do not require any class specific utility. You'll always feel good about having a disease dispell in JY, buy it won't exactly feel mandatory.

[messiahh]

While one potion (whatever it may be) on one pull may be insignificant, it's the sum of every little thing your group can do in every pull of every dungeon that makes your group play better.
This applies to all levels of play.

[vareska]

Tetltes and not using potions is funiest thing :D

[lilcurtis]

Dratnos is soon to be become my most watched creator.

Loving the podcast and videos coving SL to date!

[regularspecial]

Imagine if one healer could mass res. That's how I feel about some of these class buffs.

[benrex]

yo that thing with the heartstone was legit! with my current pc i freeze first 10 second after spawning from heartstoning so i allways run blind. This is gonna make me never hit a wall during the screen freeze again. Best tip of all time

[jpctheman]

idk how it is for other classes, but i just did the math and rogue will actually do more damage with 9.0 raid tier gear (ilv 226 and 233) than 215 scaled gear with 18 sockets, although slightly less survivability

[furious]

Tank isn’t switching from Vengeance but as a group we’re thinking lock, moonkin, rogue, with a restro sham. How’s the comp?

[Sleepy-Tweed]

A TFP to listen to on my birthday? yeah.

[Xsetsu]

2 or 3 minutes seems more reasonable in on potions to me. Every 5 minutes just seems too long.

Things like Ice Block make sense why they are on the GCD, negates all negative effects, yet abilities like Burning Rush being on the GCD is just dumb because of the damaging effect.

[duketea_]

Once again very informative podcast.

Some time stamps would make this a lot easier to work through, if possible.

[solotopp]

It doesn't take a genius to see that the lust and brez changes hurt diversity. The moment I saw the changes, class diversity in m+ was my first thought. People complain about not making into groups as it is. This is something that is going to further aggravate it in addition to the covenant system. Blizz claim they don't want to stratify the player base and that they instead want to make it so that anyone can be "invited" yet their choices keep making the problem worse.

Eg: In BFA, I would run super dumb comps in my 23s because a) at that level if the player is good, it doesn't matter that much what you play (although having a hunter or mage over any other ranged will still make the key faster and easier as a result) and b) I could just bring drums and engi brez if we didn't have brez or lust. Now literally at minimum, two of those slots are gone because I need at least a brez and I need one lust class. Plus you now there are covenants as well. If for example, a warrior gets significantly more dps from one covenant over another, why would I pick someone who has the non-optimal covenant? There would be literally no point. I'm just going to pick more damage every time.

There are increasingly more things that are making it more difficult to justify picking sub optimal specs or classes over others. Now with the lust and berz changes, at minimum two slots are gone. This really only applies to pushing keys. If you're just doing a no leaver it will largely be the same. However, when pushing keys, there is no reason to go drums over lust or to go in without brez.

[lovelywaz]

RiP Draenic Invis Pots :( Those were cheap and easy to make from Garrison.

[Purylock]

All those people, who were just listening will never know there was an awesome cat at the background :3

[alexbarcan]

What happened to Moonkins Tettles? What nerf were you guys talking about?

[jpctheman]

also tettles is way off on the potion thing at 34:30... each potion is about 20% mainstat, and lasts for 25 seconds. so thats essentially 5s of time saved per player, or 25s across the party. that times 6 is roughly 2.5-3 minutes, not 12 seconds. more importantly, its not even about time saved... a lot of the pulls/bosses on high keys require the use of a damage potion, or u cant kill it in time (ie +22 manastorms in de other side, +23 beryllia in sanguine depths, +24 echelon in halls, etc.) not really about time saved for the most part.