Did Clement of Rome Oppose Sola Scriptura?

[blake]

SMB3 is my favorite mario game, in fact it's my favorite game of all time. Good on you for introducing your kids to the classics!

[newreformationapologetics]

I appreciate all your work on Sola Scriptura! I pray God strengthens you moving forward with all of this!

[HarujiSubayama]

If they're playing retro Mario, you have succeeded as a parent!

[ICXCNIKAAD]

What about all the other things that clement believes in that protestants don't?

[Jim-Mc]

Super Mario 3? Raisin' 'em right in the early 90s way.

[ironyusa]

YOU test Tradition, YOU go however the truth appears, YOU accept. Red flags everywhere.

[HisLivingStone]

Sola Scriptura (that Scripture is the sole infallible authority) also can be found in the medieval saints. The biggest of which would be Thomas Aquinas:

"We believe the prophets and apostles because the Lord has been their witness by performing miracles…and we believe the successors of the apostles and prophets only in so far as they tell us those things which the apostles and prophets have left in their writings" (Thomas Aquinas, De veritate 14.10, ad 11.)

"Only to those books or writings which are called canonical have I learnt to pay such honour that I firmly believe that none of their authors have erred in composing them." (Thomas Aquinas,  Summa Theologiae 1a.1.8.)

"It should be noted that though many might write concerning Catholic truth, there is this difference that those who wrote the canonical Scripture, the Evangelists and Apostles, and the like, so constantly assert it that they leave no room for doubt. That is what he means when he says 'we know his witness is true.' Galatians 1:9, "If anyone preach a gospel to you other than that which you have received, let him be anathema!" The reason is that only canonical Scripture is a measure of faith. Others however so wrote of the truth that they should not be believed save insofar as they say true things." (Thomas Aquinas, Commentary on the Gospel of John 21)

[quickrat]

Logic and the Bible itself reject Sola Scriptura.

[Drummarforhire]

So that understanding doesn't contradict apostolic succession at all, We understand the office of Priest as we understand it today to be a development as the Christian Church started to grow and it was no longer possible for a Bishop to care for his flock all alone, the he then deputized others delegating the authority to them to confer the sacraments in his name. That is a completely separate issue from apostilic succession which is and always has been passed from bishop to bishop all the way back to the apostles.

[kevinalbright]

“Test and Go however the truth appears” … Hmmm… Don’t know if I agree with that litmus test. 🤔

[bairfreedom]

I cleared up the caricature of sola scriptura with a catholic who was arguing with me the other day with what it REALLY means and they called me a liar. Lol I simply said no, You were just mistaken. The actual meaning of it is not so offensive. The Bible IS infallible, the not.

[theosophicalwanderings]

The question for Catholics is whether the “unwritten” tradition here is something that cannot be found either explicitly or implicitly in scripture. And this one appears to be implicit in scripture and is therefore not a true “unwritten” tradition (ie cannot be found at all within scripture)

All it appears Clement is saying is that you must appoint approved men to take the place of either Bishops or Presbyters (which isn’t necessarily “Apostolic Succession”proper) after they die. But that already seems implicit in Scripture.

[Defender_of_Faith]

Clement.. Correction. Ignatius not Clement is quoted.also believed that if you don't believe the Eucharist is the body and blood, you are not a Christian.

[ProtestantismLeftBehind]

Multiple church fathers appealed to Scripture and the fathers before them and councils. The Protestant innovation of Sola Scriptura was a modern thing that had been nonexistent prior. Scripture was always part of sacred Tradition and took the highest place within it.

[howdy]

There was no canon of scripture at that time.

[isaakleillhikar]

First point. You're right. If that's true, you might as well say that the people at work who were saying this is how things were going to end up later on said at work they were christians once who believed sola scriptura as a doctrine at the cofee breack, must have not been and were lying.
Second point. No. It does not say there are two offices, he just talks about two of the three of them. And its not consistent in the new testament. There are three offices. Theres Bishops and Elders in 1 Timmothy and Deacons in Titus. Three offices.

[rukidding-yc]

Bishop. Deacon. Later Priests. And you Protestants don't have. Because you don't have Apostolic succession. "The truth is no less the truth simply because you refuse to accept it." Betcha don't know who said that.

[Defender_of_Faith]

Why didn't Clement start his own church?
Men lost Faith in the Holy Spirit to guide to the one Christian church.
Then men started their own Churches. Lutheran, Calvinists, Baptist, Presbyterian, Morman, ECT. With their own traditions and their own Bible.
One True Christian Church guided by the Holy Spirit, and indefinite denominations created and guided by man

[jonatasmachado]

Eusebius of Cesarea, when describing the Church in the second and third centuries, speaks of Bishops, Presbyters, Deacons, Sub-Deacons and Acolytes. Which makes perfect sense, since the Body of Christ, like any other able body, changes and grows. The breasts of an adult woman are not the same as they were when she was a child. But she is the same person, with the same body. Eusebius of Cesarea keeps stressing the importance of the lines of succession of the Apostles. In fact, presenting those lines of succession seems to be one of his main objectives.

[jonathanbohl]

I doubt Sola Scriptura was a concept in his mind as you understand it. :)