'Men Are Living on Easy Mode'

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Asmongold Clips / Asmongold Reacts To: Norah Vincent's Experience living as a man for 2 years

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Man. Genuinely massive props to her for trying to at least prove her beliefs and back it up with serious effort. Then coming out and having true clarity on the subject. Rest in peace.

StormierNik
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If she did this today, some Twitter users would hate her for having basic sympathy

HeisenbergFam
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I watched a docuumentary on her and how she wrote her book, the experiences she went through. She joined a men bowling club and fully expected to be crapped on the way other woman crap on each other but the men were fully supportive and offered advice to help her technique, none of them knew she was a woman but they all thought "he" was an awkward gay man trying to socialize and the team wanted to help.

Norah went on multiple dates and was shocked to discover how horrible she was treated by women. During those dates at some point she'd come clean and explain she was a woman doing an experiment and the woman's attitude's did a complete 180 and tried to pass it off or play it cool or talk about how awesome Norah is it happened so often that Norah stopped believing the women who tried to be nice about it. Norah was also a lesbian with an active girlfriend during all of this who was helping her throughout the experiment.

Norah's mental state just started deteriorating and started falling off rapidly during the experiment and during the last bit of it she joined a men's health group who needed to get away from it all, where they'd hike up into the woods to just let out all their frustration. Norah said she was both scared and felt guilty because during this trip all the men were finding ways to vent out their frustration violently. Not to each other and not to anyone else. Things like chopping wood with greater force than necessary, shooting range and so on, and every guy had a story they would tell as they chopped wood or shot something about a woman in their life who had ruined it, either by taking children from them in divorce and using the kids against them, getting life-time alimony out of them that they can't afford, sneaking off in the middle of the night after clearing the bank accounts and leaving the man with nothing and got away with it because it was a joint account, that sort of thing.

Norah said she actually asked one of these men to hurt her during this trip, and he was shocked that she asked that and wouldn't do it but Norah, as a woman, felt guilty-by-association for all the trauma all these men were going through in addition to all the trauma she was now going through living as a man.

She called it off after 18 months when the experiment was supposed to go 2 years, checked herself into a mental hospital and then wrote a book about her experience.

She never could go back to loving women the way she had before the experiment, and now genuinely hated women in general because she saw and experienced the darker side of women and actively advocated for women to be more compassionate and understanding of men, but her voice had a brief period of people listening when the book first came out and the documentary, then it faded into obscurity. I only heard people reference her again after she had assisted self-deletion because her trauma was that bad.

Dragon_Lair
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Norah Vincent took her own life. She was a real one. RIP Norah

Ixaglet
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And the worst part is that after this she was pretty much "disowned" by the feminist community simply for saying men also have problems.

wesleyward
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Big respect to her, she believed men had on easy mode and instead of just believing that forever she actually went at tested if that was the case.

ekremslayer
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RIP Norah.
Its a damn tragedy how her story ended up after all that.

Unknown.NotRegistered
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Having a preconceived notion, going out & testing it, and then be willing to change opinion based on the results? Breath of fresh air.

darkxzero
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Reality hit her so hard that she _removed herself from life._

Yet, her message landed on deaf hears.

lekanraposte
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This woman showed more maturity than a large portion of the people we encounter on the Internet. I'm going to go read her book now.

realkingofantarctica
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Wow. A journalist with honesty and integrity. That's the most shocking thing of all.

williv
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What they left out is that she went through assisted suicide due to depression from this it literally shattered her worldview and started to hate women after this. Norah Vincent ", "But my experience was one that made me feel very vulnerable and made me feel a lot of pain and difficulty. While all of us in the post-feminist movement are convinced that women have always had it worse and men have always had it better, it took me stepping into their shoes to realize that that’s not true at all. People see weakness in a woman and they want to help.They see weakness in a man and they want to stamp it out!"

redloopy
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Her passing genuinely makes me sad. Very few people will put in the effort she did to actually back up their beliefs, and actually learn from the experience. A true loss.

Foolsjoker
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Someone told her to walk a mile on someone else's shoes and she said bet. She's a legend just for doing it regardless of her conclusion.

reka
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The peak of empathy right there. Genuinely just putting herself in men's shoes and finding out how rough it gets. Props to her. Few folks would go through so much just to understand someone else.

EDIT: Goddamn, I didn't know she ended her life after this because of depression. She deserved better.

ThePeteriarchy
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I have so much respect for her in how she decided to walk in our shoes to prove her point, only to agree with the sentiment that us, men, are not on some ‘easy mode’ way of life. We don’t get handouts, usually it’s not easy to find a partner and a lot of us suffer somewhat silently whilst being told to simultaneously talk about our feelings and to not because that would show weakness.

MadGameHouse
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Watched the full documentary, there was a lady who was rude to her but after she found out thst she was a woman in disguise she felt really bad said sorry a munch.

Why is it ok to be assholes to men for no reason but not women?

mrman-yjbn
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Her documentary is fascinating. Highly recommend.

Edit: 1:34 you’re doing it again, you’re rationalizing resentment because of “bad experiences”. I’ll give you an example why that doesn’t work: my sister hates my father. She is a very ungrateful and narcissistic person, and my dad is very mild and tries to please her. Whatever he does to smooth things over just pisses her off even more. For her, her relationship with him is a “bad experience”, but it’s virtually entirely her own fault.

Some people are just bad people. They put out hate, they get hatred back, and then they act like a victim.

dearthofdoohickeys
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Honestly, as a lifelong Tomboy, I have a really hard time interacting with and relating to other women. Some might call this “internalized misogyny” (and they’d be right), and others would call it “what happens when a girl is bullied by other girls and women her entire childhood, while being accepted and embraced by guys to whom she could relate. (and they’d also be right.)”

In other words, instead of *just* labeling people as sexists, racists, ableists, etc, we ought to figure out *why* people developed those traits, and help them unlearn them in positive, healthy ways.

Slowly but surely, I’m learning to trust other women again through therapy (my therapist is a woman), friendships (some of my friends are women), and just interacting with people in general (many of whom are women). I still feel more comfortable around guys than gals, but that doesn’t mean a whole lot if you ask me.

As a disabled person, I understand why people might be “put-off” by disabled people. Instead of calling them ableist and shunning them, I do what I can to show those people that most disabled people are normal, happy, empathetic people, which in turn, removes the stigma surrounding disability and makes the world a better place. I wish more people did that instead of jump immediately to shame and “us-vs-them” mentality.

Sixty_Five_Pronghorn
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It's literally the opposite. If a man fails no one cares, often even their own family. There's no support system, or safety net for a man. Even worse most family members and spouses, even the children, would often rather see a Man die attempting success rather than live having survived failure.

One Husband once put it "I am certain my Wife & Kids would rather see me fall while in my saddle, then fall off the horse."

All that said, props to her.. it takes a big person to preach a narrative for a long time.. then when they see the truth of it by putting the effort in to gain perspective and end up at a different conclusion, that's a person with integrity.

rcmunro