I bought knockoff tools from Temu

The truth about buying tools from Temu and Banggood.

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[Lincolnstww]

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[vallejokid]

My dad always said everyone wants to make $50 an hour but no one wants to pay for something made by someone making $50 an hour.

[markevans]

amazon does the same thing. they get someone to sell a product, then they mimic it and sell it for less and kick the original vendor off the site

[birdack]

As European, the main reason for buy the cheap knockoff is that they are delivered in Europe. Most of US companies do not give a crap about the other markets and this is a short-sighted approach...

[guru]

I worked for a US clothing and sporting goods manufacturing company for almost a decade. They stopped having anything manufactured in China because the factory would spit out "knock offs" after they were done making our order and then sell them for the price we were paying them. Which like you said doesn't cover the investment we put into the R&D of the product. Often the knock offs would be using different materials, in some cases they would drastically affect the potential lifespan of the item, others were using lead or other unsafe materials, and some didn't have the same performance. The other thing we noticed was intentional material swapping they'd try to do on us. They'd increase and decrease amounts in a blended material based on the current prices where we had it balanced based on optimal performance. They'd swap out for a cheaper dye that would fade in a few months when the original would last a few years.

[jjoohhhnn]

As someone from the rust belt, it's hard to feel bad for corporations and executives since they ruined the region sending jobs overseas, now the chickens have come home to roost it seems. Hopefully this spurs some policy action, that's the only effective way to limit knockoff's reaching the market. And hopefully this spurs companies to keep manufacturing domestic to protect IP

[Matt]

I sympathize for the domestic companies that actually do everything domestically but for those that ship off to another country to take advantage of basically slave labor rates and still want to charge premium prices on their products I couldn't care less.

[jimbob]

Something else to keep in mind; when companies ship their manufacturing off to China and the manufacturer creates all the tooling and such to produce a product - the manufacturer expects to run their lines 24-7. IF a company only orders 16h of product a day the other 8h of product that the manufacturer produces gets sold to wholesale companies like Temu, Bangood, Alibaba, etc. This is what accounts for some of the 'Knock Off' products you see being sold.

[rexseven]

I'm not passing any judgment... but... 1st world companies have their products made over seas for much less than they can make the same products with domestic workers. They pocket a lot of that profit. I used to work for a domestic injection mold maker. Our customers moved a lot of mold making to China. They didn't care that it was painful for us and other domestic workers. I feel for the domestic workers, but have less sympathy for the domestic companies. Ironically, one of our customers makes woodworking products. One of the reasons they used domestic toilets was so the knockoffs didn't hit the stores before their own products. I won't say who it is, but they do make the only right handed track saw I've seen.

[uqutis]

If the product is made in the USA, I will buy the USA made product. If the product is made in China but the company is headquartered in the US, I'll buy the cheaper one that is made in China.

[killtop]

If something is made and manufactured in America I will 10/10 times pay the premium price for it but when companies charge a premium price but also have their product made overseas it’s hard for me to get behind it personally

[bobmartin]

Very well done!!
Thanks for sharing and hopefully getting some meaningful conversations started.
Many thanks for all you do!

[deadtolove]

I totally get what you are saying, I do. I promise you I really do. But let's be clear about one thing. Woodpeckers charge an insane amount of money. Like eat a bag of dicks kind of money. I own an actual made in the USA Gripper. And I do my best to support American workers. But American companies need to also do more to support American consumers. I make $25 an hour. A 24 inch Woodpeckers T-Square costs $140 with tax and the cheapest shipping it comes to $172. That means I have to work 6.88 hours to pay for a friggin t-square?? That's a hard no for me man. I build stuff for fun. I make planter boxes and end tables for my mom. I make a microwave carts for my kid. That kind of thing. I like working with wood, I don't get paid for it. Nobody is giving me money for the things I build that I can then reinvest in better tools. My Skil table saw cost the same $300 as a Woodpeckers 26 inch Square. That ain't right. How does a saw with a motor in it cost the same as a framing square??? I simply can not make that work for me. So I will buy whatever the big box store has or occasionally something on Amazon. No apologies.

[robstewart]

I buy American when I can, but I'm not paying insane prices for pretty red machined aluminum.

[susan_halla]

Funny that one of your examples was spring clamps - just last week I ordered some extra spring clamps off of Amazon to supplement the ones I had. $8 and change for 8 clamps and a pretty good pliers (which I didn’t need). Junk! The teeth didn’t meet in the middle, so the clamp torqued itself off my mitre every time I tried to put it on. Returned those and paid $38 for twelve Collins clamps (no pliers). They are the brand I already had and I knew they would work flawlessly, and they did. Sometimes you get what you pay for.

[shaynesabala]

I agree with what you said except one thing. You pointed to the wood pecker square that cost 125$ for two. We all know we need 4. That’s 250$ for a square. Squares have been around for as long as wood working and to think one can justify that price is ridiculous. As long as it’s square and can be clamped, it will work. My point is this company puts their name on some things and charges an unbelievable price knowing their fans will buy them. It’s disheartening at best. Let’s face it, this company has done a great job of taking others products and making them better. But good grief, it’s a corner square. I’m a bit surprised you bought into them.

[TheDaniel]

Woodpeckers are design-thieves themselves, so don't feel bad about buying a knockoff.

[BoraHorzaGobuchul]

Allow me to disagree. There's no way fake woodpecker tool buyers and real woodpecker tool buyers overlap. Believing that anybody would buy woodpecker instead of temu (or otherwise) is ludicrous. These are completely different target audiences. So since woodpecker is de facto not losing any sales to temu, it's unwarranted to call that theft. Now if they were to sell those AS woodpecker tools, that would be unscrupulous.

[Banger]

paying $120 for corner clamps is crazy, they should spend less money on lawyers trying to take them down and trying to cut down on competition and make their product more competitive and care about the buyer more than their absurd prices. people like me can't afford those prices, so ill take the chinese stuff

[richardcloud]

Thanks for calling it out straight. Exposing the tax loophole created about 100 years ago that allows Temu and other companies to pay $0 in taxes was money (pun intended). Same for pointing out subsidized shipping that allows them the deliver so quickly at such low rates.