A Call to the Sane - Beauty, Truth, & Purpose | Douglas Murray | EP 472

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with journalist, author, and political commentator Douglas Murray. They discuss his current U.S. speaking tour, the difference between malevolent and genuine protests, the upending of cultural institutions at the altar of false virtue, and how the demoralization of the majority will only lead to further unrest.

Douglas Murray is a journalist and bestselling author of seven books. His latest publication is the international bestseller, “The War On The West.” His previous book, “The Madness of Crowds,” was a bestseller and “book of the year” for The Times and The Sunday Times. “The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam,” published in 2017, spent almost 20 weeks on The Sunday Times bestseller list and was a number 1 bestseller in non-fiction. Mr. Murray has been a contributor to The Spectator since 2000 and has been associate editor at the magazine since 2012. He is a columnist for The New York Post, The Free Press, The Sun, The Telegraph, and contributes regularly to National Review and numerous other outlets.

This episode was recorded on August 7th, 2024

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(0:00) Coming up
(0:29) Intro
(3:48) Douglas Murray’s Live Nation speaking tour
(6:46) Object lessons based on extraordinary circumstances
(8:52) The “rich history of protest” and the need for a great call
(11:14) The cardinal call to existence: adventure, hedonism, or something else?
(14:11) Rebellion for the sake of rebellion
(17:47) From those who studied evil scientifically: “it feels like a force that descends”
(23:07) What psychology tells us about gleeful evil
(29:10) Tommy Robinson and the UK protests
(41:23) When the politicians continue to ignore and insult the public…
(47:35) The epithet of “Far Right” has lost its meaning
(49:19) We’re coasting downward on the idea of moral relativism
(51:28) What’s driving mass immigration to the West
(55:35) The problem of integration: founding ideas, ethnicity, and culture
(58:16) “You don’t have a culture” is a great lie levied by bad actors
(59:51) The madness of demoralizing the majority population
(1:06:53) Progressing polite instincts into policy, “diversity is our strength”
(1:12:40) Rates of radicalization
(1:16:33) Cassandra, the prophetess, and the role of the prophet
(1:19:34) A profound form of loss and the remarkable traditions of the West
(1:23:13) We should be continuing, not reframing and deconstructing
(1:25:56) History is made by great men and women, you can be one too
(1:33:17) The idiocy of thinking we are meant to judge Shakespeare
(1:36:44) The way down and the way up: it’s your choice

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[typth_tappy]

I'm 15 and even I can see that the woke tyrants are developing the bluff of compassion to enforce otherwise unacceptable policies and social norms. We are heading into a VERY dark age. Prayers to Jordan Peterson - I hope with all my heart that they don't take him next.

Edit: Thank you for all the inspiring words! Some of you said that you felt hope from this message. I can't tell you how glad I am to be able to do that for people :)

JP, if you're reading this, I'd love to talk to you!

[trippyabsolute]

Douglas is exactly what I imagined a British man to be - well mannered, smart, eloquent, but also TOUGH AS NAILS. That's the impression I got from studying history in school back in 90s Russia. Keep that man safe.

[kevindolan]

I may be British working class and not highly educated but I have morals and values and a great respect and gratitude for my country and it's forefathers.
We should not allow anyone to tarnish that.

[alextheman]

I’m a disabled veteran and just hearing these 2 smart men talking brings so much joy to me. BLESS THEM!

[guyr.c.]

This interview is going to go viral here in the UK. To Jordan and Douglas I want to say on behalf of my countrymen ; thank you thank you thank you, for having this conversation.

[djbassman]

Douglas needs to run for public office. We need his leadership and integrity.

[henofed]

Legal migrant from Europe here happily living with my family in the UK since 2009. It is so unjust to have to undergo the procedure, pay the fees to be granted a legal stay and then see how welcomed are those coming illegally. This is a great country, historically known for freedom and tolerance and well worth fighting for. Thank you both Jordan and Douglas.

[sonoftanavast]

Douglas Murray and Jordan Peterson are two of my favorite commentators. A new discussion between them is truly a pleasure to hear

[lucaspukas]

I don’t think anything gets me more excited than seeing a new full Douglas Murray interview with JP. Seeing a new full Douglas interview is enough to get me super excited but when it’s with JP the excitement just goes through the roof. Two of the most exciting and interesting/important people to listen to on the planet.

[mariamichael]

The West needs more people like Dr Peterson and the great Douglas Murray using their high profile platforms for the good of humanity. God bless you both.

[henrycooper]

Years ago I watched a young Tommy Robinson take part in a tv show in which he spoke about the violence perpetrated by a largely Pakistani male group against predominantly white working class girls. One of the panelists on this show was a female from the Pakistani community who simply dismissed Tommy and his disclosures as racist. Years later I watched this same woman appear on a morning program talking about her abuse history at the hands of male relatives. Tommy has done more to protect children and the vulnerable from violence than most state officials or family/community members. What an incredible legacy.

[KiatHuang]

Born in England to an English mother and Malaysian father (born in Hong Kong, so a British subject), it is 100% clear to me that successive governments should have:
* denied all illegal immigrants
* allowed only sustainable numbers of legal immigrants (depending on all excess resources available)
* prefer people from Commonwealth countries, proven to have already adopted and love of British culture
* restrict incompatible religions and countries to a small percentage that can never negatively impact the country, it's people and our culture
* already know English to a working level, eg C1. Ample time to learn it in their home country.
* refugee claimants, screening out the obvious fakes, to be considered refugee immigrants and subject to the same conditions as all other legal immigrants.

[mareliegreeff]

Listening to a discussion between Jordan Peterson and Douglas Murray is perfection. We are so fortunate to have them in this world.

[maureenbrown]

Reverence for LIFE is the defining line between Barbarism and Civility. 🙏

[RinatDSafin]

As a Russian I hope British will save their culture. British culture is a treasure of humankind

[estate]

Douglas is a true gentleman and a brilliant mind. It’s going to be a pleasure to watch almost two hours conversation of two modern thinkers like professor Peterson and mr. Murray

[freddieguillemard]

We need Douglas Murray’s voice…..the voice of reason, conscience and wisdom….

[MZig-rwsu]

If only our leaders in Great Britain had an ounce of Murrays brains and integrity.
I believe he is destined for Greater things. His time is yet to come.

[Jagaroth_]

Douglas & Jordan....for a long while now, consistently my two favourite people to listen to, whether appearing on tv news shows, public speaking, debating or just having an informal chat. Thanks guys!

[sisiphas]

Thank you both. Jordan Peterson and Douglas Murray have given me and my family great encouragement in our struggles to remain sane and centred.