Making Sense of the Universe | John Lennox and Peter Ulric Tse at Dartmouth

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[avenger]

Peter Ulric Tse is a well composed atheist who genuinely seems to not have a single adversarial bone in his body.  I hope to hear more from him in future Veritas discussions and topics.

[morholtify]

Good debate! Peter Ulric seems very humble compared to many other people I've seen debating John Lennox. 

[genesiscode]

These Atheists are a lot like a person wearing a box on their  head, and they say there is nothing beyond the box, they refuse to take off the box and look

[pnp]

Although I don't agree with Peter Ulric Tse world view, he was respectful and pleasant to listen to. Very refreshing for a change.
Anyone who claims John Lennox is unintelligent reveals just how ignorant they themselves are.
Hope to hear more debates/discussions between these two in the future!

[kramnosenhoj]

I would love to see a second conversation between these two men. They clearly respect each other and they are passionate in humanity. One is Christian, the other is not, but they have shared values and they do not wish to argue, but discuss and debate respectfully. I absolutely loved this, and I continue to come back to this conversation.

[kcrongmei]

Peter deserves respect from everyone. He is respectful and humble unlike Dawkins, Krauss, etc..

[MrKC]

I have been a Christian for around 10 yrs. Before that I was having premarital sex with women, and having homosexual relations with a man. I also committed other sins, e.g. lying, blasphemy, lust, dishonoring my parents, worshiping statues, hatred. I was guilty and all of humanity deserve to go to hellfire, to be tortured forever by GOD.

But GOD is rich in mercy, and he loves us so much that He sent his Son into the world, to be tortured and to die for sinners. This sinless Jesus laid his life down for us, and 3 days later, he rose from the dead!

Homosexuality, and lying and stealing, is  wrong, abnormal, it's unnatural. What is natural, is that you walk in GOD's good ways!

Turn from your sins today, & put your trust and faith in Jesus. Will you be a Christian today?

If you become a Christian, you will receive forgiveness of sins, your sins and guilt will be blotted out, GOD himself will dwell inside you, your name will be written in the Lambs book of Life, you will enter the new Earth, and you will see GOD's face.

Paul writes to the church saying:

do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Cor 6.9).

If you become a Christian, you will become a saint, and you will be holy, and people will hate you for Jesus' name sake.

If you don't become a Christian, then your blood be on your own heads! I am innocent of it. (Acts 18:6)
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Now you have no excuse for your sin.

[tedgreen]

When Peter Ulric Tse speaks about information (around the 40min mark) and how (neurons) detect patterns in physical information. I as a Christian say, "Hallelujah. But keep going sir. On your worldview what is the definition of a "pattern" in a random chance naturalistic universe? Moreover, in a universe of random 'evolution (a pattern itself)' how can you have almost as much pattern as matter? The literal opposite should be happening." The Christian position should align with the ultimate conclusion of science that all observation (quantum physics) is information (conceptual reality); Theists should celebrate, 1. God is the mind that forms this conceptual reality of information for lesser conceptual beings to 'play in'. 2. The 'force' that actual holds patterns together to even be recognized a patterns would need be outside of matter itself, and of course can only be observed by beings with the capacity to do so - again, minds.


BTW here is a BIG Hint. Neurons ready the physical patterns in reality (what is there to make sense of) . The spirit parallel of the neurons (the mind) has the ability to actually INTERPRET it (rationality / how can I make sense of, the what my neurons picked up - see answer in min 48)

I think science is getting closer and closer to the result theists have know all along. Rationality is only consistent if a mind understands truth. Truth must be objective. Truth is that when the naturalist and his atheist buddies reach the summit, they'll run in a theist settlement with our flag of "we told you so" whisking in the breeze.

[troymason]

Lennox is brilliant. Thank God for him

[PilgrimMission]

Peter Tse is on his way to become a christian. He does not stand a chance, the Spirit of God is manifestly working in him.

[singlecellorganism]

Good job John and Peter!

Great discussion.

[troymason]

How about this - “nothing doesnt exist therefore the universal nor anything else came from nothing, making it impossible for God NOT to exist”.

[mikewindsor]

I always wonder why an atheist would expend so much mental energy trying to disprove the existence of God. If the concept is so silly, why address it? I think they are trying to convince themselves what they truly know.

[robertsparks]

Peter is studying the piano. John is studying the pianist.
Those are the two world views not touching each other in this conversation.

[marktaylor]

This was an awesome discussion. Both men were humble and treated one another with respect unlike guys like Neil Tyson DeGrasse, Sam Ellis, Richard Dawkins. I don’t name Christopher Hitchens because he and John Lennox created a friendship.

[tomnerva]

I really enjoyed this discussion. Both men are brilliant.

[whosays]

The Bible is really mostly science conveyed perfectly to ancient people in their own time, but also recognizable today by people who have patient to examine it carefully.. When I read Psalm 139:14, DNA immediately comes to mind: "I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvelous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well".

[Viloza]

I think I (a Christian) have my new atheist hero. Christopher Hitchens, stand aside and make way for Peter Ulric Tse. Truly open, enlightening and refreshing. Is this the beginning of a new non-adversarial page in our dialogue!?

[tomhitchcock]

Why is religion not allowed to challenge science

[ivytutoring]

John Lennox has his epistomology backwards. Peter Ulric, to me, comes across as much more epistomologically humble, and I deeply respect that. I appreciate what Peter said "Yes, I'ts very comforting, but it's not true".