YU-GI-OH’S TERRIBLE NEW FORMAT… might be ok?

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[lemlem]

I really do think this is skewed by price and availability. The nationals was so soon after the set released, there's no way everyone could've got their hands on the cards in time.

[mesiagamer]

This feels like a similar sort of situation where the slamangreat stalleo ban actually turned out to be an improvemnt to the deck and not a detriment.

[shanehaney]

I think the only thing keeping this from being a “proper Tier 0 format” is just how much these cards retail for. Konami is NOT being subtle about milking its player base.

And honestly at 50% of the pie chart that’s still excessive representation for a single deck. I’d assume it’ll go up as more boxes get opened, until the inevitable “Konami decides to ban the powerful things so people buy the new, more powerful things” part of the cycle Yugioh’s stuck in.

[joewoloson]

Other people have said this already, but the deck being 1000+ dollars definitely skews this. Plus if you look at how much of that chart plays Fiendsmith, it suddenly looks a lot less healthy.

[yserareborn]

MBT, this take is insane. For one thing, the fiendsmith sub engine is about 64% of that chart due to Yubel, and Tenpai’s ability to go into the matchup favorably (due to Shifter) doesn’t mean the format is “healthy”. Anything that isn’t on fiendsmith or shifter is pretty much squeezed out of the meta. Even Modern players are making fun in the comment section by trying to sell these numbers as “fine”.

Edit: Caught that I made it on stream. Cool. For the record, while you didn't say the meta is "healthy" per se, the title of the video is "New Format... might be ok?". If you really want to be pedantic, yes "healthy" and "ok" are two different adjectives, but I feel like we are drawing a distinction without a difference.

[Jericut]

As someone who primarily plays magic the idea of looking at a top 64 chart that's 50% the same deck and like 75% of decks playing the same sub engine in fiendsmith and going "oh thank goodness, we avoided a tier 0 format!" Is kinda bonkers tbh.

[madsvigan]

Hot take:

When the Best deck cost 1000$ the general player base will Seek the cheaper, but still strong decks.

[moonjelly]

Pokemon Player here:

This is like saying that Xerneas wasn't that good because it didn't win Worlds, while ignoring the fact that the thing was so overpowered that every good player needed to tailor their teams to specifically beat it.

[solobugg]

Joseph really just showed us a pie chart with 50% SE Fiendsmith representation and went "nah, this deck's not as dominant as we thought"

[purgatorydreaming]

I... heavily disagree with this take. SE Fiendsmith didn't have as much (still, almost 50% is kinda crazy!) representation because it literally just came out and cards are prohibitively expensive. The deck by itself is around 1K bucks. It's only natural that not everyone could afford it a week after the set came out.

This format is also one in which floodgates (lingering such as D Shifter, and continuous like Skill Drain) are practically mandatory to deal with SE Fiendsmith (and they can play around some of them anyway!). Rivalry of Warlords (a one-of!) is practically the only consistent out to the deck.

... Also Tenpai having such high rep is not a sign that things are going well. Tenpai is a deck that needs only one card (out of like 15 starters?) to OTK you, and the rest is just insane board-breakers/floodgates.

Basically we're in a format were hyper-consistency and hyper-recursion are so prevalent that it becomes impossible to out your opponent unless you play floodgates.

Also, Dogwood is being sided by literally almost everyone. To win by time rules. That should be enough to tell you how bad the format is. Not even saying it's a bad tech, it's obv a necessary evil, but like come on. We kinda clearly need a banlist.

I'm very mixed on using tournament representation as a sign of whether a format is good or not, I think the most important thing is seeing how the matchups between the most prevalent decks are. And like... look at the EUWCQ for that LMAO

[jacob_vd]

It stays only at 50% because of the amount of money it takes to play the complete version of the deck if you ever went to a major tournament you know there is a good porcentage of players that go and play their favorite deck some other that go with a tier 2 just because it has a good match up example floo and the rest that simple dont like the deck all those type of player grew because how expensive the deck is, it is not a tier 0 only because you need to be able to have the time and money to get the complete deck

[jefferyherrell]

25 percent of people played the deck and half the top cut was the deck. That’s a 200 percent increase. It’s tier 0. Don’t cope

[machinax]

also the one fact you forgot the fiendsmith snake eye package is stupidly expensive because Ko-money screws over the tcg by making it all high rarity unlike in the ocg

[thecrimsomcardyugioh]

Simple explanation for this is the product didn’t have enough time to circulate, prices were insanely high after the dominating performance at the NAWCQ. Forcing prices for the EU players to choose cheaper alternatives thus the amount of Tenpai players. Just because Tenpai won and Ritual Beast (a SHIFTER deck) came in second doesn’t mean anything, as you can see the ritual beast player chose a correct strategy for most of the tournament, losing to Tenpai in the finals which is another OTK gimmick deck that also played SHIFTER at the NAWCQ. The fact you must draw a specific card and run all these floodgates I.E D Fissure, Ritual Beast is a deck similar to Tenpai that have smaller cores, meaning you can max out on handtraps and or Floodgates to halt your opponent. The problem with this is fiendsmith is actually so generic that both players in the finals probably would’ve thrown in a fiendsmith package if they had the cards it would’ve allowed for more board breaking and cause your opponent to respond. Eating up their handtraps. Fiendsmith snake eye is a huge problem. Having a discard that then allows you to enter your entire snake eye engine is unstoppable unless you play utterly worse cards vs other decks, but the fact you must take that route just shows how broken the deck is and how broken power creep is and that the game is unbalanced at its core. Fiendsmith should’ve locked you into fiends but Konami enjoys these tier 0 decks….why? It makes them money. Nekroz was a dominant force vs all other decks when it was released yet the deck didn’t win nearly as many YSCs as snake eyes, because people hard countered the deck so yes random 1 offs or smaller number tops would win in the finals but no one debates wether Nekroz was tier 0 or not it’s a fact, you also can add in the EUs reputation for playing anti meta decks more so then other areas, even with that eventually coming true more then 60% of the top cut was snake eye fiends or fiends something mashed together. Also remember the cards are new so strategy’s haven’t been mainstreamed like making Beatrice and dumping the 2 traps to then banish the one trap to stop your opponent from summoning at all. The more degenerate the rogue decks must be to see success is a HUGE indicator that the format is being put in a strangle hold by 1 DECK! 😂 but I love the this deck isn’t tier 0 after snake eyes have won almost LITERALLY every YCS since it’s complete release.

[painteddolphin]

Bruh, just because "one deck" didn't win it all doesn't mean we arent in Tier 0 format. Most of top cut shares 70% of their deck, most of which is just the same handtraps as usual. Mix in the fact that everyone pre-bought INFO for fiendsmith and now the cards are dropping slightly, and you'll see that after the banlist, we might go right back into tier 0.

[four-en-tee]

It still doesnt change the fact that powercreep is ridiculous rn, but at least the meta is a _little_ more diverse.

[kevin]

I swear i counted the top 64 of this event and 44 of the decks had the fiendsmith package... its 50% snake eyes but also the yubel deck is running the fiendsmiths too

[Lnk]

no, absolutely not. The top decks are extremely expensive and can do super uninteractive shit with the fiendsmith engine and beatrice, and the best thing you can do to counter them is play two shifter decks, one of which also uses protos. Fine format my ass.

[Fluffal_Enthusiast]

I get the feeling that eventually FS SE will stop being tier zero/one purely becuase people get sick of playing it and just stop

[arcanephoenixii]

To be fair... The problem with Snake Eyes Fiendsmith is that it is EXTREMELY expensive outside of Asia, compared to something like Ritual Beasts which, while still is expensive (somewhere in like the 150-200$ range from what I can find), is still cheaper than the $900+ pricetag for the best Deck in the format. Same deal with Tenpai - it's cheaper by a country mile, so it's played more than you'd think.