Dolly Chugh and John R. Miles: The Importance of Creating a More Just Future

In our interview, Dolly provides a frank yet endearing compass for "embracing the paradox" that America was built on the idea that all people are equal. Yet it was founded on slavery. Chugh interweaves lessons on structural racism, the patriot's dilemma, and settler colonialism. We discuss her study of good people and why we should stop focusing on being a good person so that we can become a better one. We explore the contradictions of US history and how we should learn to view them, connecting the dots between current events and the past.

Dolly Chugh is a Harvard-educated, award-winning social psychologist at the NYU Stern School of Business, where she is an expert researcher in the psychology of good people. In 2018, she delivered the popular TED Talk “How to let go of being a ‘good’ person and become a better person.” She is the author of A More Just Future and The Person You Mean to Be.

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Time Stamps:
0:00 Biggest life lessons learned from playing collegiate sports?
4:31 Changing how we look at biases
8:47 The science of good people
14:43 Why do the victors, not those suppressed, create how we view history
18:50 The warrior within and the paradox mindset
25:04 Why do we downplay the past and overplay the future
31:56 Changing the lens through which we think about history
36:09 Biggest takeaway from A More Just Future

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-- John R. Miles is the CEO, and Founder of PASSION STRUCK®, the first of its kind company focused on impacting real change by teaching people how to live Intentionally. He is on a mission to help people live a no-regrets life that exalts their victories and lets them know they matter in the world. For over two decades, he built his own career applying his research of passion struck leadership, first becoming a Fortune 50 CIO and then a multi-industry CEO. John is also a prolific public speaker, venture capitalist, and author.

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