Can These Really Hold 10 kN? #climbinggear #breaktest

We recently got new tool leashes that @climbingtaiwan likes to use. We also got small, unrated accessory carabiners for use with the leashes that make a bold claim. 10 kN?! That can't be right! Go figure, they broke lower than that. Yet another great reason not to use unrated amazon carabiners for life supporting purposes. Even though they didn't meet their claim, these were still plenty strong enough to catch a hammer or a drill.

[jennyjansen]

Those are super good enough for anything I would ever do with them.

[littlejackalo]

Carabiner is not exclusive to rated life supporting gear. ANY carabiner, even ones you can break with your hands, are carabiners

[kegwf]

The Engineer designed it for 10kn capacity, but then the low bid for manufacturing them offered a much cheaper price for a slight reduction in materials and rating, but Marketing told them to keep the original number because they already had the advertising designed.

[brianrodman]

I wouldn’t be selling stuff, if I owned a store, that false strength ratings printed directly onto the product. Seems like a poor business choice and a something that could undermine trust.

[scotb]

Why would you sell something that isn't what it says it is?

[thomasdalton]

Do you scratch off the erroneous ratings before selling them?

[rolandfischer]

Carabiner were meant to hold carbines, not humans. So they are definitely carabiners, them being life supporting has nothing to do with that name.

[phkit]

I’d never sell them on a online climbing store personally but ayy each to there own

[eduarddvorecky]

Tree climbers sometimes use carabines you can pull apart with your hands to tie themselves.
They use main line at good anchor point, and their belt with that weak carabiner instead of clipping it directly when climbing dead branch.
If it snaps, it rips off the carabiner, belt opens, and drops the weight, while climber is swang back on main line. It's safer that way than having bunch of wood connected to you.

[leecujes]

Listen to the comments and remove these from sale. We don’t need more non-carabiners entering the market. It’s not a huge mental leap to understand how this could kill someone.

[no-trick-pony]

Please don't sell them if they have a false rating on them. The thing is not about the person who buys them whom you CAN inform but about the people who will actually receive them as gifts, borrowed, whatever. Who don't know it's fake. I know 10 vs 7-8kN isn't the world but it's still clearly wrong. I love the work you do but putting something with a permanently etched/lasered fake rating in your store is not the way to go and would make me lose trust in the other stuff you are selling and ultimately in your shop.

[NPC-flgq]

Wow, that's interesting... I bought a cheap footloop with that EXACT twist lock biner on it - and at ~8kN I still think it's super good enough for ascending a line.
Awesome work brother, keep it up!!

[guillaumel.]

I prefer using a light normal carabiner for my tools or accessories, in case I need one for life support, it's more useful !

[shadowlicka]

I’ve used the orange one to pull my four wheeler with a wench up a steep hill that the wheeler wanted to roll back upside down

[davidsimpson]

always buy full strength stuff like biners even when for that purpose I dont need it, because if for some reason I do need it, I can use it. my missus has her chalkbag on a biner, swapped it out for a full strength one from the cheap keychain one that was on it, now she has a bail Karabiner.

[colbygarrett]

I've got some old diamondback carabiners, my uncle gave them to me about 10 years ago, I now use them for very light duty vehicle recovery

[MadVibesAdventures]

Take a whipper on some not-so super good enough gear with a backup to catch you. Compare the peak force before breaking to the slack snap to see how crappy gear breaks depending on whether it’s a slow pull or real life whipper!

[bluebull]

have you ever tested those 8mm steel or stainless carabiners from the hardware store that say 250kg on it?

[jakewissinger]

Hey boss I’m a new subscriber! I was wondering if you could test some of the equipment telecom climbers use on the daily. Maybe I need to look further back on your page. Just curious how our equipment holds up!

[aaronhelmsman]

I know someone who used one of these on a hammock chair and it bent so much over time but never broke