Why ADAS P*ss Me OFF? (ENG) - Marek Drives Tells It As It Is

One day Elon Musk must have realised the only way he’s ever going to be safely driven in an autonomous car without some idiot t-boning him at a junction is by making all cars around him autonomous.

For the same reason other carmakers seem less optimistic about driverless cars. And what about the customers expecting affordable vehicles, which according to EU regulations must be equipped with advanced driver aids systems or ADAS, which in some circumstances take control over the vehicle?

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[gvaley]

Fully support you! We need more journalists like you. This is exactly how it works. Company X goes to Visteon or another OEM and says, "My budget is $250, engineer me ADAS." And since Visteon needs at least 500 to cover the basics, they shit out this malformed monster that the regulators should never ever homologate. And yet they do.

[vidpetrovic]

I just drove the Renault 5 an hour ago. The ability to turn off everything that beeps with one button is just chef's kiss 🤌

[christianronn]

2018 VW.

- Lane keep assist works well, in summer. I just hold on and let the car steer for me a lot of the time. When I first got the car it frequently yelled at me to take over, but I seem to have learned to give enough input to keep it from doing that. However, I live where there’s snow or slush on the ground half the year and it’s useless when it can’t see the lines properly. Thankfully the feature stays off until I, the one that paid for the car, turn it back on. The assist features are also all behind a button on the indicator stalk, designed to be adjusted while driving, instead of buried in some touchscreen tab. This makes me want to never get a newer car ever again.

- Adaptive cruise control is a great feature I use a lot and I will never buy a car without it ever again. I’ve also driven Toyota and Kia with ACC and they, in my opinion, follow too closely. When it’s raining, you’re in the spray cloud of the truck in front. The VW:s ACC keeps a better distance than i’m able to on my own, and this makes tailgaters behind me twice as annoying. Especially when I can see it’s a car modern enough that it probably has ACC but with a driver too daft to use it.

- Forward collision warning has annoyed me maybe five times over the years and saved my ass once. Usually I don’t even remember it exists.

[asdfghyxcvbn]

I would be happy, when automakers implement automatic wipers that actually work.

[kevinn]

I'm just test driving cars with these systems and quite frankly the thing that disturbs me the most is that they are all radically different. So while I'm driving in downtown traffic, they give me warnings at completely different times. It's unnerving. And I guess I'm just too old to put my trust into a systems like this. WRT Tesla's system? It's a joke. Cameras only is not enough and it's dangerous for Elon to push what he's doing as autopilot.

It just seems like there's no standards for software or hardware and this is where the problems start.

[Cosmindaniel]

2018 Ford Fiesta - Lane Keep Assist (LKA) nearly killed me. A tractor took a left turn on the main road from a crops field and left 4 clay marks on the tarmac. The clay dried almost white. I was driving at around 100 km/h (speed limit), and the LKA thought those mud marks were road markings and my car suddenly veered right, trying to throw me in a corn field. Fortunately I had both hands on the steering wheel, everything was fine. The good part: If you turned the LKA off it stayed off until you turned it back on. I never did.
2020 Ford Focus - the same as the Fiesta: LKA off means off. A few unexpected beeps from the auto-brake, but no "ghost" brakes. No annoying "take a rest" beeps or bongs. Cruise control was perfect, with 3 modes: classic, adaptive or intelligent (adaptive with speed based on TSR). When choosing intelligent, you could set a tolerance, so it would change the cruise speed to the speed limit +5, or speed limit +10, or speed limit -10, whatever you want. In 50k km I never changed the cruise control speed, I only turned it on or off. Blind spot doesn't help me, but RCTA saved me twice, when a huge van parked next to me in angled parking and I couldn't see what was coming on the main road.

[ast]

A family member owns a 2019 Nissan Leaf. The autonomous emergency braking system is dangerous in that car. It is so bad that we ended up putting a dash cam in it for this reason. I once overtook a bus and then promptly stopped in front of it. I don't want to be responsible for a crash like this or for the injuries of passengers when the bus has to slam on the brakes.
And yet legally, I am. If the car stops while I'm flooring the accelerator, and this causes a crash, I refuse to accept responsibility. Especially if I sent multiple recordings of these false positive emergency stops to the dealership, asking for a fix under warranty.
I'm not alone either. There are plenty of owners complaining about this in owners groups. This should be a recall. All these overly sensitive cars should be recalled.
Tests against false positives need to be added to NCAP.

ISA? It's a deal braker. I don't care if I can turn it off with a button. I either code it out or don't buy the car if it can't be coded out.

[UdreMark]

2022 Skoda Octavia, I use adaptive cruise 80% of the time, it really helps to concentrate less on speed, but on overall situation. But it definitely has its limitations, especially when changing lanes or on winding roads. Lane keep assist doesn't do much, except in winter, when it thinks that snow is the road marking. Collision warning is ok, never had obruptly braked, only warned with signal.

[markuslangguth]

I am totally with you here.
That issue makes older cars more attractive, or to keep the ones without such overbearing and only half functional tech as long as possible.
New cars are far too expensive nowadays anyway.

Driver aids have to work properly and as intended without bugs or logic errors AND they have to be easily deactivated.

However, I think manufacturers recognize the problem and the "easy off" solutions are getting more and better.

[davidpickard]

2024 Renault Clio has one button on the dash to switch ADAS off.. 👍

[mgavrilov]

My 2019 Skoda Scala is bad. The worst offender is the lane keeping assist that recognizes random things as lane markers (shadows, darker patches of asphalt, cracks, etc.) and abruptly jerks the steering wheel in a random direction. The front collision avoidance system has once applied full brakes because of the car in a neighbouring lane, and there's also a spot in my parking garage where I can easily get it to falsely trigger.

[fecorekasi]

I can confirm, automotive engineers in hungary don't have money for new cars

[kickincans]

I'm with you on this one. In the late 90s, early 00s the introduction of active safety systems even on entry level cars - ABS, airbags, traction control and later stability control - was a game changer. Things which by and large just worked if a parameter was reached/exceeded - and worked reliably. The latest active safety systems, especially collision avoidance and lane keep assist is not intelligent enough to reliably and safely deploy resulting in a fight for control between the driver and a hapless "intelligent" safety system, including distracting alerts. I've had numerous situations with my car braking with collision avoidance indicators on the dashboard when I was completely in control and no collision was going to occur, but sensors then hit the brake putting me (and other road users) into a potentially dangerous situation. Thankfully some manufacturers are figuring out people don't want/need these nannying systems and are providing options to quickly disable them, but ultimately I think the regulations of these systems need to be re-addressed/legislated.

[vikior]

Driving from 2009 radar adaptive cruise control and lane keeping on honda accord. Very useful on long highway drives

[erichahn]

Totally agree Marek! ESA is driving me bonkers in my new Lexus LBX. It's more distracting. Our BMW X3 almost caused us to take out a cyclist on the side or the road as we tried to adhere to safety of keeping a wide gap between us the cyclist, but when trying to go over the middle line, the auto system thought we were drifting out of lane and yanked the steering back hard to the right, almost taking out the cyclist. Sure improvements will b made but was damn scary for both us and cyclist who also pooped himself.

[WhatIfBrigade]

I have a love/hate relationship with speed monitors. In Germany, Google Maps said the limit was 100, the car dashboard said the limit was 50, and the sign on the road said 80. So the car beeped for a bit because it was upset I wasn't going 50. Car also beeped when I set cruise control to 100 and hit 101 going downhill. However, if the data was accurate and the car could simply go the speed limit, I would love the feature. Especially when traveling I just want to go 30 in a 30, 80 in an 80 and 100 in a 100. I'm used to work trucks and towing so I basically never need sudden acceleration.

[alterntive]

With the increasing number of people I see driving at night without lights switched on I'm starting to think either ADAS is flawed or the drivers are oblivious and over-reliant on automatic features taking over the basics of operating a vehicle.

[emersonmsd]

I am on my 3rd KIA a 2022 Sorento Platinum with all the bells and whistles. I leave everything on just the volume on the lane keeping assist I have at zero as we have very narrow roads. All the cars had the best KIA had to offer at the time of purchase. I find it all works as advertised.

[tiro]

I have a 2019 BMW 530e, the things I use the most are the gesture controls, adaptive LED lights, head-up display and automatic distance keeping. They work very well...

[ДмитрийЛопатин-дю]

Don't know what you're talking about, my Renault Logan 2013 don't ever have these issues...well, because it doesn't have anything apart from ABS and electric windows :)