Why You Shouldn't Use Mid-Side Processing (all the time) 🔥

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In this video producer, mix and mastering engineer David Gnozzi talks about the most common mistaken in mixing, mid side processing, mid side eq and mid side compression and why you shouldn't use it as default and the problems that mid-side processing cna cause. How to train your ears to recognize the artifacts

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[LytosOfficial]

"Just because you CAN doesn't mean that you SHOULD". That's a very important lesson to learn, not only for mixing but for life itself. Thank you David, as always here following and supporting your work. Hugs from Spain!

[mrnelsonius]

The more I’ve had to turn out professional mixes quickly, the less I’ve found myself using any M/S processing. Just like you said in this: I’ll use it on non essential ear candy, big wide risers and space filling atmospherics. Basically any ornaments specifically tailored to having fun with stereo image. But all the essential stuff I need translating in mono, don’t use it

[thekhamisiproject]

You are a lifesaver! When you broke down the term "mid/side" into it's proper name, "sum/difference" - it immediately became clear. I almost ruined my mix trying to "mid-side" it to death, and it was actually fine! You saved me from overthinking it! THANK YOU!

[troeteimarsch]

There are so many potholes on the road to stellar mix. Thanks for sharing your knowledge without bs.ing around!

[theboatrawker]

Excellent considerations...thanks for the heads up amigo!

[aleksamrkela]

Like you said in an earlier video on Mathew Lane's DrMS, a little goes a really long way. Very down-to-earth and pragmatic, as always. A video on why LCR mixing and hard panning yields better results would also be awesome. I think that's something few people really have a grasp on, because they have some preconceived notions that hard-panning is bad. Also, that shirt looks classy as heck!

[eyesintheskies]

🤔 Interesting I did not know this, cheers for pointing it out & explaining why 🙏

[_chroo]

I like Span by Voxengo. It does a great job showing the frequency range causing phase issues. Also, it's free... Reducing width or the frequency range causing the phase issue from the side or difference eliminates the problem. Thanks for all the great tutorials. Much appreciated. 👍

[midnightsocean]

No bull and straight to the point as usual. Great video. Shirt looks good. : )

[michaelwiley]

By definition, the more the sides are emphasized the less you'll have in the middle. And the middle is where all the energy is. Never use m-s without considering this trade off first.

[aliensexist]

Thanks David, your videos are a treasure trove and much appreciated

[G.Webster]

Mid-Side confused me a lot because of how people tossed it out and I couldn't figure out how/why/what for a while... Until I watched Dan Worrall talking about it. Then it all made sense why you would use it, and how, and why you wouldn't want to be using it all the time. It seems to be a scalpel, NOT a swiss-army knife. It is very specific to a certain thing and using it all the time would just be crazy. I've used it to improve mono compatibility on guitar tracks in dense mixes, I know people who have used it to push a wider sounding guitar through the sides before. But nobody who I've ever seen using it properly recommends it our-right. It serves a purpose, and should only be used with purpose, which is what you are saying here. There's a lot of change in how people consume audio and that is leading to people changing how they handle it on the mix end (binaural versus stereo for example)... but that's why it's even more important now to not take numbers and EQ curves and charts and apply them to your mix. You need to understand the why behind the how in order to make better mix decisions.

[ericktellez]

the best use for me is to add defintion for the spaces the instruments need, take out lows on the sides if there isnt anything low being panned/stereo enhanced, fix phase alignment of the mix on effects like haas and delays as well, if i want to increase the stereo image i just go back to the mix and do it with pan pots or enhancers.

[erickgutierrez]

I see you at the gym all the time, I’ve been watching your videos for some time now !

[timbranniganmusic]

For me, mid-side was sometimes used for orchestras or Live TV broadcasts or recordings to capture the sound of the hall or room. We would later decode the M/S mics. When I first started seeing M/S plugins I said cool, no more flipping phase to decode. I started experimenting with some of the Brainworx processors that I have and it was exactly what you’re talking about, especially on my 2-Bus or a lead vocal. EQ or compression yield the same results.
Thanks for another great video. You’re a great educator and mix engineer. I really love your channel and I’ve gotten plenty of great tips from you. Sometimes I watch a video just because you’re talking about something that I’ve been saying and doing for years and you’re the only voice of sanity. Other times I’ll watch because it’s something that I’m you remind me of, like breaking habits, like using the same go to techniques all the time. A lot of my habits are from growing up in facilities that only had 1 or 2 of whatever processors they had.
Thanks again for your great work! The shirt is a good idea lol. Button downs are definitely optional.
✌️❤️ - Tim

[RAZALAHORI]

man the information you put on here saves us a lot of time and money i really appreciate brother 🙏

[servellen_music]

Thanks David, useful video. I do use M/S in mastering EDM, mostly hardware EQ and compression where am mindful to keep differences in processing between mid and side small to minimise artefacts. Recently used it to push mid of a track that lacked body, and that worked well. Your channel is great man, cheers.

[FLHofficial]

Good advice, mate.
Personnaly when I use MS it's an EQ on a particular instrument/stem in my composition. Usualy double bass, some low synths or big low batlle drums/taïkos, just to "recenter" some low end.
Never on a whole mix.
Furthermore I should say that widening a whole mix is a mistake: Width exists only because you hear something in the midlle or on the close right or left, you need contrasts, you need to appreciate distances, locations.
(like loudness, if everything is loud everywhere in the bandwidth nothing is loud)

[trashunicorn]

Yes!! Thank you David, can't wait