The Truth about the Panasonic S5 II X - Don't kid yourself...

In this video I discuss the hype around the Panasonic S5IIX and how it is still not comparable to cameras like the Sony FX3 and a7SIII.

Panasonic s5IIX ROLLING SHUTTER and CROPPED 4k60 is the downfall.

[nVuFilms]

BEFORE YOU COMMENT. WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO. PLEASE AND THANK YOU. 🤦‍♂️

[videomakerlucasw]

According to the reviews the Lumix s5iix is ​​made of magnesium alloy and is weather sealed to prevent moisture and dust, does 6k open gate, does not overhating, king stabilizer, rolling shutter better than a74, full frame, plus prores? this for $2197.00 dollars? Damn, I completely understand why a group prefers her, that's not wrong.

[tdotgg]

You didn’t actually say the FX3 doesn’t have rolling shutter right? What a terrible take.

6k open gate is actually a life changing feature for content creators. Enjoy spending $4k for a camera that overheats after 30 minutes.

[chronocross]

Of course a Sony shooter would say this.

[amthemusic]

In my debate, I want to highlight the advantages of the S5MIIX camera. I will give you that global shutter statement but that’s where it starts and finishes. (Can be fixed in post though) Everything else ehhh. There are way too many noteworthy features worth considering. The S5MIIX offers codecs that are easier to grade and handle on the computer internally and externally compared to any Sony camera. Rigging if that is what you call it is simple, as it involves attaching an affordable 4TB SSD to the cage. As an owner of the S1H, S5, and GH6, I find the S5MIIX to be a suitable option for run-and-gun shooting. You can get a 4TB SSD for under $200 to $250, which would provide an extensive recording time with ProResHQ, taking approximately 24 hours to fill. Additionally, the camera offers three crop modes expanding 1 lens to 3 lens from full-frame to Super35 and pixel by pixel. The S5 has features that have been appreciated by my Sony counterpart who uses the A7SIII, particularly the features and photo flexibility of the S5. The only drawback being the autofocus AT THAT TIME. Also contrary to common belief, the price of the S5MIIX setup would not be $3, 000 lol. Considering the cage, SSD holder, the additional cost are around $150 at most! Many users opt for a cage to protect their cameras and allow for flexible rigging we do not count media IN THE PRICE GOOD TRY THOUGH lol. The money saved by choosing the S5MIIX instead of the A7SIII could be utilized for other purposes, such as investing in one or two zoom lenses to enable dual IBIS or acquiring additional gear. The S5MIIX also provides superior anamorphic options, a brighter and more usable screen, a wide range of shortcut options, and the ability to stream. Contrary to the A7SIII, the S5MIIX's screen is viewable even in bright conditions, not having to RIG UP A MONITOR LIKE THE A7SIII. I AM SURE ARE AWARE OF THAT PROBLEM YOU PROBABLY CANT SEE THAT SCREEN IN THE RECORDING NOW. A pretty bright day. S5MIIX offers Open Gate, better shortcuts and so much more. Drawing from my personal experience with Lumix cameras and the A7SIII, I confidently express my opinion based on honesty. While the S5MIIX competes with the A7SIII it is really meant to rival and the A74. Its primary focus lies in hybrid work. If we consider the S2H, it would likely outperform the A7SIII by a long shot IT WILL AT LEAST HAVE FEATURES SIMILAR TO THE GH6 at a full frame scale. It's important to remember that the S1H was the first camera in this new wave of devices, the S1H, earned recognition as the first hybrid Netflix-approved camera. Unfortunately, due to the pandemic, it didn't receive the attention it deserved allowing the A7SIII to shine first. The S5MIIX represents Lumix's official mid-wave of devices, typically serving as the transition to the next generation of their new devices. So the camera you should be comparing is the S2H. Even though this mid wave device ended up as your rival lol. This is my perspective, presented in a healthy debate, and I hope it provides valuable insight. All love.

[daniel_b_living]

Look I own both the FX30 and S5iix and each has served a purpose. (Never been a fanboy as I shoot photos with Fuji.) So no bias here. After using both, Sony will remain the king of autofocus. No denying that.

But there’s also no denying Sony’s colors (that green tint all over your face) particularly skin tones are washed and gross looking.

If someone wants to switch why wouldn’t they lol. Better colors, many features Sony doesn’t offer (shutter angle, exposure tools, open gate), the ability to take pictures (fx line are not made for this) with Sony you need a second body for real photography tools 😂 I mean you sound mad that someone would choose to leave a system for something that suits them better. Plus Panasonic full frame vs Sony APSC is barely a $400 difference. FX3 ($4, 000) is twice the price of the Panasonic with 1/2 the features and tools, don’t forget.

You should be happy Sony is being challenged so maybe the next time they release a “cinema” line of bodies it will actually include Cinema Tools like Panasonic did. Competition is good for our business. Don’t hate cuz people are abandoning ship for something that has way more to offer. (For them)

And the whole $3000 for a rig 😂😂 cage and external drive cost me $225 bro.

Let people use what works for them, don’t discourage everyone from switching because you’re happy with Sony. Also, you made this click bait so you knew this was going to happen 😂😂😂

[QUINPANO]

Cant imagine my personality being completely based around a camera brand

[RadicalZack]

I honestly think it's an unfair comparison. We are talking about the difference between a $2, 200 camera and a $3, 600 camera. The fair comparison is the Sony A7iv which has the same or slightly worse rolling shutter and also crops at 4k/60. Yeah, Sony has a strong ecosystem and better autofocus, but I find myself using the video features in the Lumix cameras daily for commercial projects.

[ryanaugust]

I think most people just need to recognize that every camera has drawbacks and upsides. Figure out what you need, make a list of cameras that suit your actual needs, and go from there. SSD recording is great, but I take about an hour of video per 1000 photos I take, so I didn’t feel like rigging out an S5IIX was going to be worth it. I picked up an S5II as a hybrid and it’s done well on my shoots so far, I love handling it, I never leave my house without it.

I could have probably done everything I’ve done with it so far using a Sony A7IV. People need to chill. It’s all well and good that you can do 17k ultra phuc gate with Apple ProRes BRAW 16Gb/s write speed, but I’m a portrait guy, not making documentaries for Netflix. And neither are 99% of people boasting about these cameras.

Figure out what you need, dial in a budget, make a list of cameras that have those things, buy one and go take pictures and video.

[imatts]

An interesting perspective. I think your objectivity is being influenced by your clear passion for Sony. It's almost as if you are somehow offended by the (mostly) positive reaction to the S5II and S5IIX. As many have already commented - the choice of camera really comes down to horses for courses. I have used both the S5IIX and in the past the A7SIII. Both have strengths and weaknesses - on balance, today, I would go for the Panny. The A7SIII is older technology, but still holds up agains many newer marques. The S5IIX strikes a great balance between cost and features in my opinion. The key point is that the camera is a means to an end. The user determines the outcome.

[EddyTheChump]

I mean, I have an a7s3 and a panasonic s1 and I think they're both great for different things. I shoot them together for multicam and match easily, one has incredible autofocus and the other can shoot 3:2 open gate in 6k. What's not to like lol. I am super pissed at sony though, they're pretty anti consumer with their firmware approach and I think that fuels people wanting to hype a camera like the S5IIx. My S1 got updated continuously for 4 years, my a7s3 doesn't even match the fx3. If i was going to make a new purchase, I know which system would feel like a safer investment

[silas]

I have the S52 and think it's great but these are some interesting points. Rolling shutter is an issue that needs to be talked about more. The problem I find is moving to another camera to fix one issue you end up landing on other issues and round it goes...

[frankfeng]

Since the launch of A7iii and the introduction of third-party zooms like Tamron 28-75, Sony has gradually become a reliable brand for working professionals in both stills and video. However, it has also become less fun to use (e.g. mediocre screen and IBIS), less value-friendly (e.g. a7IV compared to a7III, expensive flagship A1 without major firmware updates, fewer professional video tools), and less well-rounded (more specialized product line).

[DirtyDollazRacing]

From a Sony shooter (a6300) I preordered a S5iix. Hoping I can grow with the camera and plan on rigging it. I understand it’s limitations, and I do not put it above or near an A7Siii. For me it’s exciting Panasonic stepped to the plate, not taking anything from the Sony route. I run and gun without time for a gimbal. IBIS is huge for me. Hoping to “connect”with it and it can duplicate or be better than the A6300 with autofocus. Hoping for lowlight performance as 90% of my shooting is. Only reason I steered from FX30. Love your content 💪🏼

[SewTubular]

No camera is perfect.

Sony's best features are :

1- World's best auto-focus ( Panasonic finally has decent auto-focus, and will probably get better over the next 2 years )

2- Higher frame rates than Panasonic cameras ( Panasonic S5 II in APS-C format gives you 4K 60p with as much detail as the Full Frame format, with good rolling-shutter, the draw-back is you need wider lenses for the APS-C format and you need to shoot 1 F-stop faster to get the same DOF as a FF shoot )

3- World's best low-light. ( Panasonic S5 II is good, but still 1-2 stops behind Sony )

Panasonic's best features are :

1- World's best IBIS stabilization. You can shoot many handheld shots with motion, especially if your lens is optically stabilized. This is one of my favorite things about Panasonic cameras.

2- Shoots Pro Res RAW and Black-magic RAW with an external recorder.

3- Shoots non-RAW formats up to 1.9 Gbit/sec using a USB SSD drive. ( 2 TB drive costs $120 US at B&H Photo )

4- Shoots 5.9 K and 6 K formats.

5- Shoots OPEN GATE full sensor format. Crop in post to the format you want to deliver in

6- Can set your shutter speed in degree angle

I expect the Panasonic S5 II cameras will put pressure on Canon/Nikon/Sony to match some of Panasonic's features.
And I expect Panasonic will improve high-frame rates and rolling shutter speed, and bring their autofocus closer to Sony's performance. ( I'm also curious to see if Panasonic's Cine cameras finally get a Full Frame camera )

[davidmultimedia]

If you really need globalshutter-like pans… simply shoot vertically for those shots, then reframe/crop to 16:9. With the S5II X, you can shoot up to 5952x3968 resolution, so you could still get a full 4K UHD resolution. Even if it’s 4.2.0 200mbps, it will do just fine for those kind of shots. If you absolutely want 4.2.2 ALL-I/ProRes.. you can shoot in 4K and still get over 2K of resolution. This is by far the best solution to solve rollingshutter issues when it matters.. but most people don’t even realize it. Yes, the Sony a7SIII/FX3 have by far the best rolling shutter value, but I would definitely not make my choice based on that. Half price and better IBIS is more appealing to me..

[r.Koozie]

This is the second video I have come across from this creator, the other being his video on the insta360 GO 3. Dude seems to have a lot of opinions about gear he has never laid hands on lol. On rolling shutter, the s5ii reads at 21.5ms- meaning its rolling shutter is ok, but not great. Middle of the road. To your point, worse than the a7siii and fx3 at around 9ms and the a6700 at 15.9ms, but better than the a7 IV at 29.9ms, and far better than the a6300 at 34ms. Still plenty fast to film a 5 year old running around, as you use here as your example, and $1500 (at very least) cheaper than the a7sii or fx3. For the crop in higher frame rates, Panasonic is part of the l-mount alliance, and sigma makes both a 16mm 1.4 and 10-18mm 2.8 lens in the aps-c format.

I get that everybody wants to think that they have the "best" gear, but I don't understand how you can judge these things without having used them. I shoot both canon and Panasonic full frame mirrorless, and they both have their advantages and disadvantages. I have not used Sony cameras enough to have an opinion on them, but I am positive that they do as well.

Another way to avoid such "annoying" comments is not using clickbait titles for your videos. You can't have it both ways- trying to draw people into your videos with clickbait (and making revenue off them), but also not wanting them to have an opinion on what you are talking about. That makes no sense.

[kingharv]

Only deep throating im seeing is you giving sony the sloppy toppy!!! i hope sony is cutting you a check for this video! every camera has it drawbacks. Purchase what ever brand that you like and make it work. you can always find someone thats bias to a brand. EVERY BRAND HAS ITS GOOD its BAD & its terrible. Just make sure your color grade isnt yellow in the skintones like you have Jaundice!! LIKE THIS VIDEO. DO NOT LISTEN TO ANYONE THAT IS A FAN BOY OF ANY BRAND WHEN YOUR MAKING A PURCHASE, RENT THE CAMERA AND SEE IF ITS FOR YOU.

[pfv]

I don't see building a rig as a problem!
You can do it in parts first the case and the external battery holder,
The top handle and a support for your future monitor.
Later you treat yourself with a good monitor.
The most important thing is no overheating and the possibilities in the future!

[VanguardMediaProductions]

Used an fx3, fx6, a7iv, a7rv for work. I have an s5iix and I’d take it every single time over any one of those cameras. It honestly just fits my workflow really well, has amazing ibis, amazing af, anamorphic support, and open gate is a game changer. Sony is dope and all, but when it comes to to price vs performance lumix absolutely destroys Sony. Coming from a former Sony fanboy