YUGIOH'S MONEY PROBLEM

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#YuGiOh #MBT #Discussion

[monarchy]

Just because we aren’t dead- doesn’t mean you’re not killing us.

[LP-znsc]

Although there are definitely other barriers like seperate hobbies and not having time, every time i consider picking up a physical deck and trying paper play the only thing that stops me is pricing. When basically rogue budget meta decks cost 100+ dollars just to be able to actually be capable of playing a competitive game I just think the investment would never return. Imagine paying 100 dollars for a live service game just to be at a disadvantage and have to pay for paid dlc every update just to keep playing on top of that.

[gjisahappytoad]

Konami: "If you're a broke boy just say sooo." *Bites overpriced card*

[liamjamse]

The newest Rarity collection was $430 a box in Australia. For context, a Brand new Playstation 5 is $800. that is why yugioh is dying

[four-en-tee]

I mentioned the Nintendo Switch bit today and people were saying "that's insane, why would Konami spend 60 grand a year on Nintendo Switches for those who make it to top 8" not understanding that they're already doing that.

This game is so fucked, and none of us can agree on what to do to fix this.

[RanDoomPuff]

I always find the "super agressive reprint policy" to be a really funny joke because at best its getting reprinted a year later at which point most stuff released becomes ass

[TheLetterJ]

After watching what speculators did to TCGs, especially Pokemon, around 2020, I have a tough time believing that they are a net positive.

[otterfire]

TCG Konami has trudged on with their practices for core sets, ignorant that people are slowly realizing how terrible core set design for the wider community. We wouldn't need the degree of reprints if we were to follow OCG core sets which have multiple rarities for the super and ultra rare cards (Secret rare is one of those alternate rarities, OCG uses rares instead of super rares).

Prizing for big events could be special alt prints for desirable cards in the metagame. This would drive the price of the market towards giving value to these exclusive cards, cards reserved for the top players and players who attend big events. This would push down the price of core set prints, making them more accessible.

Of course TCG Konami wouldn't change this, since they don't really see an obligation to improve the game with so many current players at this point. They'll probably take some action against Snake-Eye in a couple months to maybe bring back some players, but by then Fiendsmith will be there to fill the void and the Snake-Eye problem with persist.

[-Cosmic]

Its also really frustrating that prizing for YCS' and such are so abysmal BECAUSE of unique situation that the side events have going on. Giant cards and uncut sheets are so unique and cool so WHY ARE THEY PRIZING FOR SIDE EVENTS. I can guarantee that people would love to receive a Giant card or uncut sheet of secrets/starlights instead of 7 year old console and a rubber mat.

[nerfirelia]

Honestly, when you think about it a little more, the reprint policy is just bad for everyone. Expensive cards getting reprinted is great for the players, but you're looking at probably close to an entire YEAR after release for that reprint to come and, by then, the cards are powercrept and/or new staples have been released and now you have to start the wait all over again for those cards. It's just an endless cycle of waiting for reprints and it sucks. I would have loved to play Spright during POTE format. It's really great that I can finally pick up the deck for a reasonable price 2 YEARS later and at a time where the deck is mostly irrelevant as well. Sometimes it doesn't even matter if a card gets reprinted if Konami decides to put it in a garbage set, short print it, etc. Prosperity didn't become an affordable card until 3 entire years after it's initial release.

The reprint policy is bad for vendors/sellers because if they aren't able to move their stock within that timeframe before the reprint, then they have to start selling those cards at a loss. This makes investing in Yugioh to begin with really risky and, for a lot of people, not even worth it. This sorta thing has only gotten worse over the last couple years especially for local card shops when it comes to getting rid of product.

It's been mentioned a billion times at this point, but going with the OCG printing style would benefit EVERYONE. The players can get their hands on the cheaper versions of cards immediately because they are actually affordable. Vendors/sellers are fine because they can sell the chase rarity of cards to those who want to bling out their deck and don't have to worry about those cards losing a ton of value within a year due to reprints being less common. Collectors similarly don't have to worry about their shiny cardboard becoming worthless for the same reason. Knowing that you are guaranteed to pull some cards you want from a box would entice players to actually buy boxes so local card shops don't have tons of product just wasting away on their shelves. Everything about the current reprint policy is just so bad for everyone involved.

[kokorikopi]

The LODT reprint being rear-ended by Substitoad's reprint in the new BOL set makes me think there's like three different teams at KOA and they don't communicate.

[assaultnya]

I never got back into Yugioh because of the cost. I know I don't *need* the $1000 deck to have fun so many of the key cards can be 50-100 a copy and just don't retain any value. Sometimes that happens by bans, sometimes by powercreep, sometimes by reprints. It just really feels like if I did buy into a competitively viable deck, i'm stuck playing that one deck until I'm eventually forced into another deck and that when I do, my deck has zero resale value to put towards my new deck.

For frame of reference with another card game, I've built 2 decks in Pokémon and got a full suite of nice accessories for my sister to play the Pokémon TCG for like 150 so far. Both of the decks (Gardevior and Meowscarada) have legs. They aren't the best, but both are definitely tiered, but we aren't really limited in deck building.

Outside of TCGs, $1000 is a down payment on a used car. You can get an entry level motorcycle. You can buy a really fucking sweet guitar. It's just that where i'm at now it's not the best way for me to spend the money I have, especially in this economy.

[nojetplane]

I had a moment where my brain kinda broke on ygo recently where someone told me I could choose between building a deck to be competitive for no prizing OR i could just buy a ps5 and several games for a couple $100 less 💀
i love playing the game man but the math on that equation just doesn't add up

[RyuSigma]

Wizards greatest mistake was the reserve list

[TrevorAllenMD]

And it all started with that damn Platinum/Silver Masterpiece Dark Magician for $1400…

[shanehaney]

My theory that Konami is running the numbers, isn’t liking what they’re seeing in regards to the health of Yugioh, and are just trying to milk people for everything they can before the game collapses under its own weight feels less and less crazy with every decision Konami makes.

My local doesn’t even stock Yugioh anymore, all the local Walmarts had for weeks now is “Legendary Decks 2” and some of those packs of 30 cards that were likely found on a warehouse floor - it’s a Bad Time for Yugioh. I’m just happy the people I play with mostly play various Pet Decks that they’ve built over the years…

[geminimaxxim]

I'm a casual player. I don't even go to locals. I've been trying to put together an Edison deck in paper just to play with friends the few times a year I see them. But a combination of the above plus the fact that living in Canada gatekeeps me from all the reasonably priced vendors on TCGplayer, means that my part time job-having ass can't even do that much without feeling like I'm wasting a lot of money on a small return of nostalgic whimsy. I love Yugioh, fuck this game.

[ParmMannREBORN]

As someone who got into the game in the 2020s I just assumed current deck pricing was always the norm...

[wall]

Its this endless cycle of buying new overpriced cards that they put us since god knows when. Everyone is complaining about snake eyes right now it being either the price or how broken they are, but here's exactly whats going to happen: Konami drops new list hitting snake eyes cards harshly -> Player base & content creators reaction: "OH MY GOD THEY ACTUALLY DID IT, THEY FINALLY HIT SNAKE EYES LETS GOOOO THANK YOU KONAMI" -> Format stays ok for 1~2 weeks -> New best splashable engine is released, in this case fiendsmith which will surely also be very overpriced, you're naive if you think it will be affordable -> New engine warps the format -> "Wow, this format sucks ass, just ban fiendsmith requiem it will surely fix the game this time" -> Cycle repeats. Tbh I would mind it much less if cards were printed the way OCG does it so the good cards are easier to access, but they'll never do it, cuz players always crawl back to buying the overpriced cardboard.

[zdelrod]

The biggest wall in terms of me getting into paper play, is the cost. If I want to be able to play decks, the speculative nature of the card costs makes it extremely difficult to not nuke my bank account.