Clash of Crowns: Why Monarchism and Fascism Are Incompatible

In popular discourse, there exists a common misconception that Monarchism and Fascism can coexist harmoniously. But are these seemingly aligned systems truly compatible, or is this assumption merely a facade? In this video, we delve into the intricate relationship between Monarchism and Fascism, challenging the notion of their cooperation. I aim to uncover the inherent contradictions and limitations that emerge when these two ideologies intertwine.

0:00 - Introduction
2:52 - The Making of a Leader
13:29 - A Fascist King?
16:13 - Conclusion

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Music Used:

- Flight Hymn by Ross Bugden

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Tags:

Fascism, Monarchism, Monarcho-Fascism, Benito Mussolini, Corneliu Zelea Codreanu, Italy, Romania, Iron Guard, King Michael I of Romania, Ion Antonescu, Politics, Lavader.

[Lavader_]

Small Correction: Ion Antonescu wasn't a member of the Iron Guard and he quashed their influence in Politics after the Legionary Rebellion of 1941.

[KingJonasHD]

Unlike Mussolini, who hated the idea of monarchism but kept the King in fear of revolt and losing support, some fascists like Oswald Mosley were loyal to the crown. Now Mosley never gained power in Britain, but it sure would have been interesting to see how his Monarcho-Fascist Empire would function.

[italianknight]

The root of the problem in my opinion is the fact that monarchism is not designed to work alongside a party system. It doesn't matter if the king supports a one party fascist regime or a democratic multi-party system, in the end he would always find himself ousted or powerless sooner or later

[Waldemarvonanhalt]

I've read Codreanu's autobiography and multiple times in the book he explicitly states he would never go against the king or the king's wishes and accepted that Carol might persecute them on account of being misled by his ministers or interests groups within Romania. That eventually became true, since he was executed on the orders of the mayor of Bucharest. Pretty much the core of the Iron Guard's leadership all died in the Spanish Civil War or along with Codreanu when he was executed. The Iron Guard under Horia Sima's leadership IMO might as well be considered a new organization.

[DjDeadpig]

As someone who has an English teacher who keeps on calling the monarchy and the new King Charles a “fascist” it’s nice to see someone finally debunk that notion, as I hate having the king of my nation compared to a fascist. As an anti fascist (not one of those cringe antifas though) who supports the monarchy and corporatism, you’ve done me proud man.

[local_ITA]

You've Triggered the 13 year old Monarcho-fascists

[_Dovar_]

Real monarchy. A proper rule of one.
None of that weak, subversive, ceremonial, tourist "monarchy".

[howardmctroy]

Nietzsche had a quote about how democratization in Europe would lead to tyranny. He died in 1900 and he predicted the wave of totalitarianism that would sweep Europe that century.

[ZoomerHistorian]

Just wanted to congratulate you on your recent success, been watching it happen over the past few months and I’m really happy for you!

[tsar]

The only instance of Monarcho-fascism that somewhat worked was the 4 August regime of Greece. Ioannis Metaxas was more of an authoritarian conservative but his regime was, at least initially supported by the King George II of Greece.

[National-Democrat.Ukrainian]

Small correction at 12:37. Iron Guard was not in power in Romania in 1944.

[AEIOU]

Respectfully disagree. If monarchy can exist within liberal democracies, it certainly can exist within fascist states. Prior to WW2 the kingdom of Italy worked fine, until Mussolini made the fatal error of allying with Hitler

[Centristlol]

It’s so refreshing to find a fellow monarchist who isn’t a raging authoritarian

[DrewPicklesTheDark]

I guess ultimately it depends on the type of monarchy. If weak constitutional ones can work in a liberal state, I don't see why they couldn't work in a fascist state, especially if the monarch is part of the nation's identity. I think you couldn't have an absolute monarch (generally what people are talking about when they say monarchism) and also a fascist state, short of the monarch in and of themselves being fascist politically. Kind of like how North Korea is this strange pseudo-commie-monarchy-with it's own ideology (Juche), system. Fascists and monarchists were historically aligned merely due to sharing common enemies (liberals, communists, and to some extent, Jews).

[BoliceOccifer]

The only difference i can think of between an absolute monarchy and a fascist state is that the monarchy is supported by a class of nobles while fascists are more populist and draw support from their party. All this video did was go over some times that monarchies had conflict with fascist insurrectionaries, not illustrate the functional difference between the two systems.

In fact, early in the video, when the narrator focused on the qualities of a monarchy and those of a fascist state, the description of the two was very similar (excluding the case of parliamentary monarchies).

[Byzantine-Revolt]

Codreanu was killed by the order of the Romanian King and only liked the King due to him being apart of Romanian history, the Falange told the Carlist monarchists to go have intercourse with their cousins when the Carlists tried to unite with the Falange to name two examples of the stellar relationship between Third Positionism and Monarchism. The only way I see the Monarcho-Fascism thing working is if you use Julius Evola's Super Fascism which is basically the caste system of Hinduism with the economics of Fascist Italy.

[Classical.Conservative]

Some fascist movements had the restoration of monarchy as the end goal while fascism was the means to get there. Some examples include Francoism and Austrofascism. Franco instated a monarchy after his death while Dollfuss planned on reinstating the Habsburgs but was murdered by the national socialists before he could do so. Some issues with this would be that the king of Spain after Franco was a liberal and not a Francoist even after he was given a Francoist education while another argument would be that both Francoism and Austrofascism have major differences with fascism and aren't fascist at all and that they are more similar to classical conservatism. To me, there can be a fascist monarchy but only if the monarch is fascist.

[nicholasricardo]

Fascism cannot be monarchist because it is a revolutionary 20th century, post monarchical ideology. monarchism is inherently conservative and anti-revolutionary, its adaptation to modern culture is long and iterative, pursued through reforms by various kings and chancellors, it is not pursued through plebiscite or violent uprising, unlike the March on Rome or the Kristalnacht

[chmidt]

If Germany still had its monarchy, Hitler would have never gained as much power as he did by unifying the role of chancellor and president, especially since the role of president was basically an elected placeholder for the Kaiser

[williamcrawford]

Others have pointed this out already, but every point made about the incompatibility of monarchy with fascism is equally true of monarchy and republicanism. Constitutional monarchies are essentially republics with a figurehead monarch. Yet, the very idea of a monarch is necessarily opposed to the egalitarian and meritocratic ideals of a republic. It could be argued that the two cannot permanently coexist. Any claim that they could as a result of the monarch being stripped of all actual power could also be said of a fascist Constitutional monarchy. Historically speaking, there were definitely fascist who believed this could work like Sir Oswald Mosley.

Also, what if the monarch and the fascist leader were the same person? Think of a figure like Augustus or Napoleon who essentially converted a republic into a monarchy, except let us say that they are fascist. To take care of the line of succession, let us say that it is an elective monarchy like Poland, the Vatican, and the Holy Roman Empire used to be. The fascist party always elects a fascist monarch who is somehow related to the first monarch, even if the relation is distant due to a prioritizing of ideology over familial closeness. Now the monarch is absolute and always fascist, so the two can coexist.