2 Peter 3:9: Calvinist Buster

The Bible vs Calvinism? Is God willing that any should perish?

[hiswordistruth]

I believe that in 2 Peter 3:9 the "all" that God wants to reach repentance are the full number of genuine believers that make up the "you" in the same verse that God will fulfill his promise too; some of whom are barely escaping from the false teachers and scoffers who live in error. Those barely escaping would need to repent of the things that the scoffing and false teaching lead one into when one follows such deceit. And the recipients of the letter were told they could be sure that as they faced false teaching and scoffers who mocked the second coming of the Lord, and as they watched beloved people being harassed by wolves that they were barely escaping that God would keep his promise. Christ would come back for His people and that God's faithfulness to his people would ensure he kept his promise and that his people would reach repentance.. I think the context from chapter 2 verse one all the way to the end of the letter seems to support such an interpretation.

[paulabeyta]

My concern for those that think this verse disproves Calvinism and/or that it implies a universal atonement is that doing so does damage to our doctrine of God.

If the "you" is not the elect as you mentioned - then it necessarily implies that God doesn't quite know who will be saved - that his patience hinges upon him waiting and seeing. Plus - it mandates that God will no longer be immutable or Jesus will never return. Because if he is being patient based upon his benevolence to all mankind in general - then how are we supposed to think of that patience running out? Does God simply stop being patient ya know?

[IHatePickles]

Why would Peter say Gods not wishing that any should perish if they are the elect as if the elect would perish and why would God be patient towards you if it’s by his ultimate decree that the elect are saved? What would God be patient with himself for when he decided when and how to save the elect, or maybe he is patient towards you because you have a part in humbling yourself and coming to Jesus. It’s a simple passage that shows Gods patience towards us as believers with our own free wills. I don’t think this helps Calvinism but it’s not a verse that puts the nail in the coffin for it either. Calvinism is a big mess of misinterpreted words in the Bible. You have to address each word biblically to be able to show a Calvinist that they are wrong. However the Calvinist is your brother and the reason I challenge Calvinism is because of the love I have for my brothers and I wish they could see the beauty that is Gods word without a Calvinist reading lens. Majority of my church is Calvinist and I have had numerous Calvinist pastors but I still pray that one day God would be able to show them that Calvinism isn’t biblical.

[SupralapSaiyan]

Next video the three ways in which scripture describes God's will

[MarkNOTW]

God does desire for all to be saved and He isnt willing for any to perish. If certain persons are elected unconditionally, then why would God be concerned about them perishing?

We must compare scripture with scripture. 1 Tim 2:4 "who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
" We also have several other verses that confirm that God so loved THE WORLD and that whosoever (anyone) believes will be saved. We are also told that God died not only for our sins but the sins of the the WHOLE WORLD. No where in scripture are we told that anyone is elected unto salvation. We are told that anyone who believes by faith is saved by God's grace.

[philaardsma]

Actually the KJV reads "us" not "you". The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2 Peter 3:9 KJV
This subtle difference means that Peter is most likely referring to all people in need of repentance. These Believers, by definition, have already repented, God does not need to be longsuffering towards them anymore! The translation you choose will affect your doctrine.
Biblical election is subsequent to salvation, not prior to it!

[ThePettiestOfficer_Juan]

I presume only a maximally great God would truly desire ALL to come to repentance. I would also presume only a God who wasn’t truly sovereign need to unconditionally elect. That sounds like gnostic soteriology to me.

BTW...I don’t believe unconditional election is even possible, unless one believes God is completely arbitrary. A god of arbitration is not worthy of my worship in my estimation.

[ThePettiestOfficer_Juan]

I presume only a maximally great God would truly desire ALL to come to repentance.i would also presume only a God who wasn’t truly sovereign need to unconditionally elect.

BTW...I don’t believe unconditional election is even possible, unless one believes God is completely arbitrary.

[josephbruce]

Poor understanding of Reformed theology and leads to bending scripture to prove or disprove a point, either way I love the digging deeper into scripture but when done with proper exegesis

[Sting]

This is about the second coming. The context is to people who are already saved. There are far better verses to oppose Calvinism if that's your goal.

[bobbyadkins]

The whole Bible is a Calvinist buster!

[carolwilliams]

No, we have to run from the free will false doctrine of Arminianism belief that a dead sinners spiritually, dead sinners have a free will to come to Christ know where, in scripture does it teach that but the sovereignty of God election of predestination is in scripture they just like to twist it to fit their theology!

[Gablesman]

Your Christian life will be so very blessed when you learn to use exegesis rather than eisegesis (that is, the monkeying) of God's Word.
Also, as for 2 Peter 3:9 a little Godly logic goes a long ways: If it is not God's wish (will) that any should perish, then nobody ever is going to perish and you can congratulate yourself that you have found the proof text that everyone for all time is saved. The God of the Bible is not a loser. He is God Almighty. LOL.

[coryleblanc]

neat how kids are saying "fire" alot lately

[FabledNarrative]

TULIP in Calvinism is about who God INTENDS to save?
Wrong! No one knows the intention of whom God will save. "God will have mercy on whom God mercies."
TULIP is about our inability to come to Christ on our own, because of our rebellious nature against Him.
Christ says "No one knows the Father except the Son and anyone whom the SON reveals." (Matthew 11:27)

Only GOD saves, from start, to finish. We can't come to Him. He chooses whom is saved TO Him, as He knew His people.
I Am the Good Shepherd John 10:1-30
Nicodemus in John 3:1-15
Jesus refers to Ezekiel 36:22-27

GOD will cleanse His people with water and GOD will put a new Spirit within His people.
I can not take you serious sir, about your arguments against Calvinism, when you don't even understand the basics of the thing your criticizing...Calvinism.

[wretchedsavedbygrace]

2 Peter 3:9 was referring to all the certain ones .. it’s so messed up that many use this verse to deny Calvinism view, I can’t stand the heresy of Arminianism .. many will die In their sins you have to face that trust cause Jesus didn’t die for everyone cause if he did and that would be everyone is saved and that’s not true ( universalism Is not biblical ), many claim that God is trying to save everyone and it doesn’t say that not even once .. read 2 Peter 2:9 and 2 Peter 3:7 ..