New AC with Propane Freon! - Flammable Refrigerant!

In this video, Joshua Griffin goes through a hypothetical situation of using R290 refrigerant, otherwise known as propane in our industry, as the refrigerant in your air conditioning or heat pump system. What's crazy is these speculations may actually come true someday, despite the flammability ratings of propane gas and concerns by consumers. There are already R290 products being introduced in the commercial field and overseas in residential products.

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[davidzelkowski]

Propane has always worked as a refrigerant. We used to use it in cars all the time. It's easy to get and works!

[kevinroberts]

I'm getting ready to test normal bbq propane in my old heat pump. I have been using R290 in it for 12 years. I bet normal store bought propane will be fine too.

[thomasgronek]

Yeah, Freon has a molecular weight of 290g/mole. It sinks to the floor it doesn’t reach the atmosphere.

[resedareporter]

Thank you for the King of the hill hit! 😂

[jeovanyPadillaRangel]

What type and brand of gauges are the best options for this new refrigerant?

[billsimpson]

Those small roll around air conditioners have warnings on them not to drill or cut into them because of the flammable refrigerant they use. I have one to use on generator power during a hurricane.

[bobdittloff]

So my new dehumidifier has propane in it and im afraid to put it in my basement with open flame furnace and waterheater. I dont trust it to not leak.

[edbrandt]

I would like to have a choice to buy and install a home central ac unit using R290. I am curious to see when will it happen and will the cost be reasonable.

[MrCovertChris]

I would say that you're right yes a lot of those appliances use propane but the difference is you don't have to solder or braze copper lines to install them are they going to change the way line set works or is it moving to that's threaded?

[carllungwitz]

How efficient is it compared to 410, or R-32?

[jasonligo]

Hmmm, I wonder if there will be the possibility of using ammonia gas as well? Ammonia vs. Propane....LOL!

[EverythingHVACR]

It's in refrigerators already. It's coming.

[jactilm]

Using propane is not new it was used in real old units many years ago, i have used it in my autos for over 30 years and when my minisplits lost the r410a i use it in them to replace the r410a cost more then the minisplit i will just keep using propane in mine.

[tomg]

Old news, in the 80's goto México get your freon charged up, , you got propane.

[gordonpotts]

Propane actually has very simular properties to R12.

[thomasgronek]

Butane might work, but its boiling point might be too high

[phatsublime]

SO what? You can’t run hydronic pipes in to existing townhomes, condos and MOST of the home that you yourself are servicing. You did not even address the suppression systems, the sensors and the dangers of someone having a coil leak and having a propane based refrigerant. What would be the future option? Repair and replace only? No more “topping off” ? Sorry I just feel like you made a feel good video without talking about the effects of that elephant, remember that elephant is going to take a big dump in that room.

[alberthartl]

We do not know what the rules will be in the US or Canada. The building codes have not yet been changed. R 32 is a more likely option going forward as it is less flammable. Went to a LG training center three years ago and all the refrigerant lines were press fit. Seems logical with flammable refrigerant.

[nuclearangl]

It’s stupid expensive, and fewer shops do the recharge. Don’t recommend.

[Steve]

New refrigerNt is not even that flammable