true crime dramas have gone way too far at this point. 😕

talking a bit about the ruby franke/8 passengers lifetime movie
in-depth commentary videos at @DAngeloWallace

[transrightsdinosaur]

The general lack of respect for the victims and families involved in real life tragedies is both heartbreaking and infuriating. Those poor kids :(

[zm]

Lifetime made a movie out of the Gabby Petito case immediately after it happened, too. They have no shame.

[IllusoryMaestro]

4 years is not enough for Ruby to begin with

[fuschiafish]

I grew up in an abusive family and I was also starved and went without for making mistakes. Seeing what she said about her kids needing to go hungry for forgetting lunch at home, is literally the same things I was told. The fact that this wasn't an immediate red flag to the public is crazy.

[katariina.s]

The whole movie is just using real child abuse for profit... and the fact they're ALREADY doing this??? These children are STILL CHILDREN and most likely still processing this! It's so fresh and that makes this even more gross

[phoenixoftheflame]

Lifetime made a movie about my family in the early 2000s, I’m so glad the internet wasn’t as widespread because emotionally I CANNOT imagine what these kids are going through, sending all of my best wishes to them <3

[comicalmustachetwirlingvillian]

what an absolutely disgusting move to make a movie about something as horrible as that and not even _try_ to contact the victims to at least get _permission_ to make it

[rachelmoreau]

I used to be really into Bailey Sarian's Murder, Mystery & Makeup series a few years back. I found it interesting because she would focus on historical murder mysteries, research into the various theories, and give a pretty in-depth summary of events. Plus, I love makeup. I stopped watching a few months in because she started doing stories that were more modern due to people in the comments suggesting them. There was something that made me feel really uncomfortable about listening to stories that only happened a few years ago, and the families of the victims were active on social media asking people to please stop theorizing about their deceased loved one. It woke me up to how messed up it was to find entertainment in the suffering of others. Never looked back.

[mariajoseleiva]

Speaking on diddy. I’ve heard grown ass men shouting “ain’t no party like a diddy party” in public. Like so fucking gross.

[GorqeousNenna]

12:15 there is a very thin line, when you’re watching true crime content, where it feels like you’re learning about cases and real people and then there’s content that makes it seem like a thriller movie which feels and is very disrespectful because these stories are real tragedies that happened to real people.

[meganclow]

I remember watching a Kendall Rae video where she was speaking with the family of a victim, there were phone calls that they were not able to play because OXYGEN HAD BOUGHT THE RIGHTS TO THE CALLS, without speaking to the family of course. Oxygen and lifetime are top tier disgusting. The opposite of victim advocates, they're basically criminal advocates

[remakesmusic]

Hey D'Angelo, great vid. I wanted to weigh in especially because you asked for a discussion. If we're gonna go at Lifetime, we need to hold Netflix to the same standard. I have a friend who wrote an article for Buzzfeed a few years ago, nobody asks these victims' families for permission, or pays anything. That's not a Lifetime issue. If someone gets murdered, it's public domain. I understand that stuff like this is a gripping story, I actually watch it on YouTube often. One of my favorite creators is a great storyteller named MrBallen, but a lot of his stories end in tragedy. The problem for me is when media companies with millions of dollars come into the picture and hire actors, crew, marketing departments, etc. for murder reenactments. It's really dystopian and gross. Do we need another movie about Gacy, or Dahmer, or Bundy? We all know the story, and it's fucking gross that they hire guys like Zac Efron and Evan Peters to play these disgusting monsters. Imagine seeing your uncle's murder in the Dahmer show, being pushed front and center to everybody in America. I worked with kids and they would even make jokes about Dahmer. FIFTH GRADERS SHOULD NOT KNOW WHO JEFFREY DAHMER IS. But they do because Netflix cashes in and pushes it front and center. That shit happened over 30 years ago and there are countless documentaries/shows/movies about it. Just stop. Ryan Johnson can go away.

But it's not gonna change. This stuff is real. My best friend's best friend was killed last Summer in nyc. Cops didn't do anything, and I'm waiting for the documentary or reenactment.

[teentitansrock]

Nothing is scarier than ruby's actual videos. She got away with hinting towards abuse or admitting to abuse for years, she played her channel straight, she believed in what she said, she was /happy/ to do what she did for that channel.
No dramatic lighting, no music, no zoom in shots.
Just an evil woman being an evil mother. And publishing it for all to see.
That's horror. Knowing that when you're watching her and Jody on the couch, that those kids were in the basement, TERRIFYING.

The only reason to make and release a documentary of it within MONTHS of her conviction is to make money. Cash grab 100% what a fucked up thing to do.

[lindsaythemorallygay]

One True Crime YouTuber I do like is RottenMango. She tells stories from other countries, has a team of researchers, handles things sensitively, and donates the money to a charity related to the crime instead of pocketing it. She did have a rocky start but she reflected and found a way that she could actually help. I don’t usually feel entertained so much as really sad and angry for the people it happens to

[RandoSando.]

Imagine escaping the worst abuse of your life and not even a year later someone tries to make a movie about it. Disgusting.

[p-h-a-n-t-o-m]

as a parental abuse survivor, if my story was used as a “horror documentary”, pissed wouldn’t even be the beginning of how i’d feel

[Novaurawr]

“true crime dramas have gone way too far at this point” they always had, (most of the time) honestly. 🙁

[Ronni__V]

It's time, TLC needs to be shut down. Most of what they broadcast should have never been allowed, let alone this!

[gnocchidokey]

You might think reverse psychological pedagogy is a fake degree but as a teacher I'm here to tell you we use it every day.

[overzealouseuthanasiast]

With more than a passing interest in criminal psychology, have found the channel Dreading does a respectable job with covering cases, avoiding sensationalism, no manipulative soundtracks, putting empathy and information delivered calmly up front. - Is about as ethical as true crime gets here so far. But also I like to add Boze versus the World for more energy while maintaining care and consideration with her coverage too. -- That passengers film looked a cheap incurious exploitation though, no interest in exploring the full situation, systems and concerning beliefs/practices within some wealthy white US mormon communities that enabled and allowed such abuse to go on so long unhindered