The Harsh TRUTH of Moneyball ⚾️ | #shorts

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[FrankMichaelSmith]

Don't get it twisted...this is one of my favorite movies. I don't think these cinematic decisions are damaging...like Winning Time. It's just nice to know the real story too.

[raddimusmcchoyber]

I thought Moneyball was about spotting undervalued players and skills and focussing in inefficiencies within the game in order to perform as effectively as possible on a very limited budget. It wasn’t there to flat out “win in post season” or “outsmart everyone else” or even to “be the best”. It was to be the best POSSIBLE on a very limited payroll, by squeezing the most out of that payroll by properly valuing the things that others missed. I think.

[lnAmberClad]

I don't think they ever made it look like the A's almost won the world series.

[Starrynova]

Imagine being able to compete with even a quarter of the payroll of other contenders. The fact they got into the playoffs is already a testament to its effectiveness

[PTJStudios]

The Minnesota twins who defeated the moneyball actually were the moneyball team with a budget 1m less then the A’s in 02

[jadeimingan]

"Chad maybe an important piece but far from the A's most",

That's the thing, moneyball focuses on the players that were literal nobodies and players that are great but overlooked for others because of bias and personal views, just what Peter Brandt said.

[通りすがりのアスレチックスファン]

I don’t think that is the correct take. It’s my take but moneyball just was there as a way to compete against big market teams as a smaller market because Oakland was never in a place as a franchise to be a big market (aside from the 70s, 80s). That’s why they used things like platooning and evaluating OBP to utilize their options to the fullest extent. So, by saying that moneyball didn’t work because of playoffs, you are basically being dismissing the fact that the team of Oakland’s caliber (as in the overall market of the team) was never supposed to be in contention with the big market clubs in the first place.

[jimbo]

In the book Billy Beane straight up admits he thinks the playoffs are a crapshoot so I’m really not sure this is a critique that accurately characterizes the goals of Moneyball

[RobertPendley]

What hurt them in the playoffs wasnt “bad base running” or defense or anything like that. What hurt them was small sample size (only four best of 5 series) and a few too many bad outings by their best pitchers

[dannomack]

I am just really confused about how you can say how much you love the book and then demonstrate that you have literally no idea what the concept is even about

[javiervasquez]

Agreed that it's a solid movie. However, there's reason why those players you mentioned aren't in the book.

All those players, minus Damon, we're acquired prior to Moneyball. Before Beane moved forward with his revolutionary concept, he conceded to his scouts on player selection. That was mentioned in the book, and a practice he held until the Jeremy Bonderman selection. Hence, the omission of Damon, Tejada, Chavez, and the Big 3 arms.

[i-primeproductions]

The fact that they actually DID change the approach of baseball to virtually every team in the nation after that means you are just flat wrong.

[translivesmatter]

I think the movie still holds up for the most part. Yes, they should have given more props to Zito, Tejada, etc. But, the biggest idea they hammered was that the moneyball tactics they used gave them a better record in 2002 than they had in 2001 in SPITE of losing Jason Giambi, Johnny Damon, and Jason Isringhausen.

[graymanmedia]

The Biggest thing I learned about Money Ball was it was propaganda for the Owners who didn't want fans to understand why players were trying to make millions of dollars. *Its because teams try to prevent players from making money within the first 6 years their in the league.

[buckweet]

You’re completely missing the point. The MoneyBall method is what got them all of those players at their budget of under 40 million. Also The Red Sox applied their methods and won the World Series like 2 years later.

[JohnnyAquaholic]

The premise of the movie is "thinking outside the box." It changed the dynamics of baseball and how/ which stats are actually valued and why.

[SadMarinersFan]

The book mentioned everything you were talking about, including talking about how much of a crapshoot the MLB Playoffs are.

[rorynell]

Dude October can go badly for anyone. Braves and Dodgers both chokes this year, every team now uses analytics and a “moneyball approach” doesnt mean u will make it to the WS.

[brendangalligan]

The moral of the Moneyball story: get great young players on their rookie contracts, trade them for max value, and find hidden value from other teams.

[TheRussell]

>loves the book/movie
>brings up the information irrelevant to both

The point of moneyball was to maximize value. The reason the movie focuses on the players it does is because they were the true representation of moneyball. They're the players that were making an impact on a low budget because everyone else cared about the superficial issues that didn't impact their ability to play the game. The pitchers you mentioned don't fit into this. They were paid an appropriate amount of money for what they brought to the table, which means they didn't represent what the point of moneyball was.