Sex Education (S3:E8): You can't have everything, Otis and Hope

Probably one of the best conversations from that season, between Otis and Hope.

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[fernandaalvarezmorphycarre]

I love what Otis says here: the issues have always been there, people just didn’t felt safe enough to raise them. It is so true on so many levels

[abyssalzei]

I think people who say things like "I don't care about her not having kids, her actions are unforgivable" are being unfair, tone deaf, and misses the point of this scene. This isn't supposed to make you forgive her, it's supposed to show you that most people in the world aren't two dimensional villains. This scene shows why she's the way she is; a control freak. We're not supposed nor expected to forgive her, but saying stuff like "I don't feel bad" or "I don't care" shows a lack of maturity and empathy which is ironically what is being shown by Otis in this scene.

[sebastiangoh]

You don’t have to feel bad for her, but you can understand that people are not 100% bad, they too have struggles and certain opinions about matters.

[athena]

I think a lot of people miss the point of this scene. It's not about redeeming her character by giving her a sympathetic struggle. It's an extension of the theme. She's spent the entire season stripping bodily autonomy from students and bullying them into conforming to her expectations and here we learn that she's been doing the exact same thing to herself and her own body. Bodies are fluid and defy what you "want" them to do, and this demonstrates the extent to which Hope, a massive control freak, can't accept that. The reaction to this scene isn't supposed to be primarily "oh, poor Hope, she's just misunderstood", it's supposed to be "wow, she REALLY doesn't get it".

[benkirkman]

Think this baby issue was meant to humanise her but I don't think it really worked. Seen people say she deserves a redemption arc but this scene proved that she has no remorse for her actions and doesn't even think she did anything wrong despite the entire student body rebelling against her for her backward curriculum, shaming tactics and complete disrespect for the LGBT community

[randycoleman]

Jean millburn be like : “i raised him right”

[Hathumie]

I really wish that they incorporated this storyline slightly earlier on, because it makes Hope so much more human, and gives her a bit of reason to be as grumpy as she was.

[monkbaby]

What Hope did to the students was overboard but I can tell she has a good heart. She is too busy trying to impress her boss and forgot to even hear the students. Also, the stress of trying to have a baby is clearly weighing on her. Her partner definitely needs to step up.

[myfeliness]

What most people like about Otis is that he can therapise anybody.

[lucasgray]

I feel like if they had introduced this storyline earlier would have humanized her and given us more of an understanding to why she was doing what she was doing. But instead they introduced it after she already did so many terrible things, shaming students publicly, driving them basically mad, and her disrespect for the lgbtq+ community. I get they were trying to show she wasn’t a complete villain but she had no remorse for her actions and is def the villain of the story

[rodionproskuriakov]

I don’t think the writers did this scene to give Hope a redemption. It’s to show that she’s just a human and not a cartoonish villain. She’s multifaceted now. It’d be strange if she magically understood her mistreatment of student and apologized for it. In real life people often don’t regret about their harmful behaviour

[persistentbee]

I think this show does a good job in demonstrating the nuances that exist in a culture and how even a few years can be very significant in the perceptions. She will be considered quite progressive to someone from an older generation's point of view. That is besides the fact that the background of people within the same generation can affect how they view the world around them. I am a bit disappointed that people are looking at the characters in uni-dimensional ways because the point of each one of the characters is to show the layers of complexity that dictate our everyday life. Yes she was terrible in many ways in the way she handled the school but we also forget that she has a job with things that are required from people above her and no this is not an excuse but in the same time I think that ethical grandstanding is easy when you are not in another person's shoes. Another overlooked idea is that her personal trauma of not being able to have a child can cause a person to harden and not show the same level of empathy we as viewers expect her to show. In Ted Lasso (another great show) a quote by Walt Whitman was used - Be curious, not judgmental.

[muffinfighter]

I'm sorry that she has to go though all that but I honestly can't stand her. A person being sad doesn't make them good or sympathetic

[lilachodan]

Admiting your vulnerabilities makes you couragious. That's something I will remember

[ErnestoHerrera]

Honestly, personally, I dislike her but I like this scene SO much and humanizes her so much.

[alanaambroo]

Bro if she ever has children in this series in the future I’m gonna feel so bad for those kids.

[lilachodan]

I got emotional even though she was cruel. It is just more about what he said

[chasewilliams]

Please somebody tell me what the ost is when Otis is telling her she is courageous ?

[Momoiro]

Where can I find the song that plays in the end??

[MAXIMUS-ykvs]

I think this scene is overacted on her part. I wasn’t able to empathize for her like I did with Adam’s dad…