The Liberal World Order is OVER. Here’s Why | Aaron Bastani meets Anne Applebaum

Political scientists agree that we are now living in a multi-polar world. How we might have arrived at this new formation and whether the newly powerful actors on the global stage are inherently problematic, remain areas of much disagreement.

Someone who has a distinct perspective on this new world order is this week’s guest, Anne Applebaum, a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist and author.

She sat down with Aaron to discuss Putin’s rise to power, misinformation and whether Israel fits into this collection of states who share little but a desire to consolidate each other's autocracy. 

00:00 Intro
02:35 What is Autocracy Inc?
04:45 Putin and Russia
17:51 Poland’s Success
23:52 The End of the Liberal World Order
30:58 What is Multi-Polarity
37:09 Misinformation & the Media
45:06 Elon Musk
49:00 Israel’s Slide Towards Autocracy

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[mousaka]

Prepare for a sickening douse of American exceptionalism…
And blame everyone and anyone BUT the US for the our world’s problems !!!

[FraserBailey-jmyz]

It's good to see that all the commenters here have instantly seen through Applebaum, or were on to her a long time ago.

[WhoOneIs]

We have enabled Biden and Netanyahu. I want to see that interview.

[khold]

Anne Applebaum is completely wrong. It is in fact a world governed by international law, based on national sovereignty as opposed to the 'rules based' international order that is a euphemism for American Hegemony that Russia, China, et. al. seek. And the idea the the country supporting Israeli genocide gives or has ever given a damn about human rights is absurd.

[theogijoe]

I almost had brain damage from the amount of dishonesty and misinformation she's spouting...

[modenadue]

What a painful one-track mind diatribe THAT was!

How many times did she raise any point about Washington’s responsibility into how we got into this geopolitical mess?

« Israel was founded as a secular state », she goes on to claim? Oh yeah, right… it’s more « nuanced » than that… it’s « complicated »

[jishnuadhikari]

How much did novara get paid for this?
Cause Palestine not coming up while talking about genocide and rule of law is just unthinkable.

[stevehurrell]

Mr Bastani is totally unprepared to kick back on her American exceptionalism opinions. Pathetic so far.

[annmackay]

So much projection here. Much of what she says applies equally to the US and the West. Politicians in the US are mostly focused on their own money and power. See the effect of the war criminal Bibi Netanyahu on congress with the standing ovations. The fact that autocrats turn up their noses at Western values is because we don't respect our own. The rule of law is not respected in the US and the lack of respect for Palestinian lives by the US is horrendous. The US has invaded multiple countries and has interfered with lots of elections around the world. The autocrats see how little we abide by our own values and don't think they need to abide by them either. Aaron, you needed to push back a lot more on her views.

[welshgit]

Beggars belief that Aaron Bastani can listen to this almost unending stream of horse manure and not collapse with laughter

[brosnana]

Urgh, let's see if she can reflect on the US role in the Palestinian genocide

[nemojedermann]

This will be interesting! Everyone's favourite Neocon warmonger after Victoria Nuland. Remember to thank her particularly for the needless and avoidable carnage in Ukraine for me!

[Cryptix]

How can you allow this propagandist to sit there and spew her bullshit without aggressively pushing back?

[cidacosta]

Is she talking about The USA or Russia regarding disregard for international law?

[domainadmin]

This is the most hilarious interview ever on Novara Media. She is sitting there sounding intelligent and knowledgable, spouting nonsense US propaganda that you might expect to read unquestioned at The Telegraph! I suspect that she may not have realised that Novara’s audience is probably better informed about the world than she is if this is what she believes!

[nicolaford]

What was our invasion of Iraq? What about Israel? What about the Minsk agreements? Questions Aaron ?

[armanmkhitaryan]

To sum up - Applebaum basically said in the interview: "When we invade others or shred international law to bits it's no justification for others to do the same". Aaron didn't challenge the guest meaningfully on any point and also sounded very unconfident in many places where he did actually have a very good opportunity to expose Applebaum's arguments, facts, and analogies.
In one place she said that Putin doesn't respect international law then in another that UN charters are idealized (we shouldn't take them too seriously)..In one instance she blames her Dictator Inc autocrats for invading smaller countries and then when confronted (very weakly) with US invasions or US ally aggressions she says "can't the world be a little bit more nuanced than that?", blaming the analogy..
Aaron lost all too many opportunities to make the interview meaningful..This way it didn't seem to

[AnyplacePavilion]

Does Novara have quite literally no shame?

[RobGriffin-cixp]

No one should ever take Novara media seriously after this.

[johnholmes]

Novara Media getting a deserved kicking from its subscribers. The moment I saw Anne Applebaum's name, I knew it would be trouble. Not challenging her toxic views was inexcusable.